Japan says UFOs exist

[Mulder]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7150156.stm

Well, yeh, everyone knows UFOs exist! The interesting point is - what are they?

[Cuddles]

How does the BBC get away with such shoddy reporting? They're supposed to be real news, not some crappy tabloid.


Japan's chief government spokesman has announced that unidentified flying objects (UFOs) exist.
does not follow from

But Chief Cabinet Secretary Nobutaka Machimura later told reporters he believed they were "definitely" real.

[DrS]

The journalists there provide lots of examples of shoddy headlining, and lack of argumentation and logical thought processes. I look at the site every day, and hardly one of them passes without my seeing some grammatical, linguistic or reasoning outrage. >:-)

[ohp]

[quote=Cuddles;27703]How does the BBC get away with such shoddy reporting? They're supposed to be real news, not some crappy tabloid.

I think that you'll always get some frivolous stories when you churn out the number of articles they do on the bbc site.

Was there anything in the report that was inaccurate? If you complain they'll often edit atricles to reflect errors..

[SorryImPsychic]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7150156.stm

Well, yeh, everyone knows UFOs exist! The interesting point is - what are they?

Some UFOs are alien spacecraft piloted by aliens.O0

[bobdezon]

I think you are missing the point of what a UFO is. UFO simply means unidentified flying object. That is to say if you see something airborne and do not recognise it, then It becomes a UFO, but it could be a bird, a kite, a plastic bag, an aeroplane from an odd angle, a balloon, a crisp packet, a lump of aeroplane waste disposal ice, infact anything.

UFOs from popular culture are always classed as alien spaceships but considering there is 0 evidence of extraterrestials yet it seems rather silly to think that spaceships are piloted by aliens. Considering the vast distances of space if they did exist they would be more likely to be unmanned (unaliened?) probes.

[Fiona]

"
The Japanese civil service swung into action.
In a statement it said that should a flying saucer be spotted in the country's airspace, a fighter would be scrambled to attempt visual confirmation."




I don't find that very comforting :-[

[SorryImPsychic]

I think you are missing the point of what a UFO is. UFO simply means unidentified flying object... infact anything.
......yet it seems rather silly to think that spaceships are piloted by aliens......

I know what UFO means and my comment was that SOME UFOs are actually alien spacecraft - despite what other UFOs may be. Unpiloted? That is a very subjective answer based on our own technological understanding.

You are wrong about evidence of extraterrestrials. USA has a policy of non-disclosure that has been recently ammended and information will be released. The policy to with-hold ET information was based on fear of the psychological effects it would have on the general public. In the past USA government have provided disinformation in order to increase skepticism. But with concerted lobbying by ex-military/NASA employees the government has had to make some attempt to come clean. Many whistleblowers have died in suspicious circumstance as a result of this fight for truth.

[bobdezon]

sweet jeebus just stop. do you have evidence for your claims? because you are just repeating the conspiracy theorists party line. Think for yourself instead of being a sheep. Check those facts you are told are true, youll find most are lies, some will be bullshit and some will be misrepresented to make it seem more incredible. Help yourself to better yourself. ::)

[SorryImPsychic]

sweet jeebus just stop. do you have evidence Think for yourself instead of being a sheep........... Help yourself to better yourself. ::)

.000000000000001% (mathematically inept estimate) being my own experienced fact of Alien life forms against all the information true and untrue is enough to maintain my belief in Aliens. Nothing can disuade me of my experience which happened when I was four years old - a time when I had no idea or exposure or pre-conceived ideas about what I saw - I was given information that I didn't understand at the time....and spent most of my life bewildered at the meaning of it all. Then in recent years the things revealed actually started to occur and have great significance relating to future events. I have never bothered with UFOlogy for the same reason you would not. But I discovered the Internet earlier this year and the wonderful world of "google". So yes much rubbish flooded in. So OK dismiss all other information as indeterminable in regard to its factuality - but what do you propose I do about the facts of my personal experience.

[ZERO]

I know what UFO means and my comment was that SOME UFOs are actually alien spacecraft - despite what other UFOs may be. Unpiloted? That is a very subjective answer based on our own technological understanding.

You are wrong about evidence of extraterrestrials. USA has a policy of non-disclosure

So how can you know he's wrong? Show the evidence.


that has been recently ammended and information will be released. The policy to with-hold ET information was based on fear of the psychological effects it would have on the general public.

Fear of annihilation in a nuclear holocaust did not make the public fall apart. People can handle the truth.


In the past USA government have provided disinformation in order to increase skepticism. But with concerted lobbying by ex-military/NASA employees the government has had to make some attempt to come clean. Many whistleblowers have died in suspicious circumstance as a result of this fight for truth.

The USSR knew pretty much all Americas secrets. Why didn't they embarrass them or gain prestige by offering proof of aliens?


.000000000000001% (mathematically inept estimate) being my own experienced fact of Alien life forms against all the information true and untrue is enough to maintain my belief in Aliens. Nothing can disuade me of my experience which happened when I was four years old - a time when I had no idea or exposure or pre-conceived ideas about what I saw - I was given information that I didn't understand at the time....and spent most of my life bewildered at the meaning of it all. Then in recent years the things revealed actually started to occur and have great significance relating to future events. I have never bothered with UFOlogy for the same reason you would not. But I discovered the Internet earlier this year and the wonderful world of "google". So yes much rubbish flooded in. So OK dismiss all other information as indeterminable in regard to its factuality - but what do you propose I do about the facts of my personal experience.
The memory of a four year old is not very reliable.
What do you remember?
What is your experience?

[Janot]

...when I was four years old -... I was given information that I didn't understand at the time....and spent most of my life bewildered at the meaning of it all. You are not alone here, this applies to me as well, and I suspect just about everybody else.

This still does not make me believe in something which the US government has not yet told us. Why should it?

[SorryImPsychic]

So how can you know he's wrong? Show the evidence.

Fear of annihilation in a nuclear holocaust did not make the public fall apart. People can handle the truth.

The USSR knew pretty much all Americas secrets. Why didn't they embarrass them or gain prestige by offering proof of aliens?

The memory of a four year old is not very reliable.
What do you remember?
What is your experience?

Why ask me anything when you already have your answers.

http://www.freedomofinfo.org/national_press.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YPZAso2eSI&feature=related

[ZERO]

Why ask me anything when you already have your answers.

Because several times you have mentioned you have a skeptical attitude.
You believe there are aliens visiting earth. There must be compelling evidence you can show to convince a skeptic like me.

Not those links though, anecdotes are not good evidence.
Time and again eyewitnesses have been shown to be mistaken or even lying.
I'm asking for hard evidence.O0

[SorryImPsychic]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7150156.stm

Well, yeh, everyone knows UFOs exist! The interesting point is - what are they?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZckCbpA9E3w&feature=related

[Fiona]

Because that is the point of discussion? People have the knowledge they have and they base their conclusions on that knowledge. You have different or more knowledge and you form different conclusions. If you share that knowledge and it stands up then people will change their minds. What is unreasonable about asking you to share it?

The document you have posted does not contain any facts which can be verified. To me it looks like a pitch for funding and it is primarily based on scaremongering about threats to security. The press conference is only an extract and it is wholly anecdotal.

You say that there is a policy of non-disclosure and so I assume you have references which show this policy. Can you cite them please?

You say the reason for that policy is known to you and so I assume there are background paper which underpin your assertion. Again can you show those please?

You say that there is to be a change in that policy and that those papers will now be made public - but since they have clearly already been leaked we should not have to wait for the change in order to see at least some of the evidence for your assertion

That is all people are asking. It is not unreasonable surely

[ZERO]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZckCbpA9E3w&feature=related
Nice appeal to authority but they are still fallible people with anecdotal evidence despite their qualifications and positions.

Really look at what we have. There is no hard evidence.

[bobdezon]

Ok let me get this straight, once when you were 4 you had an experience that made you believe in UFOs. Can you tell us about this experience? And you should be aware those links you provided are not any form of evidence except perhaps anecdotal which has 0 evidential value to an investigator.

[SorryImPsychic]

There must be compelling evidence you can show to convince a skeptic like me.

Not those links though, anecdotes are not good evidence.

I'm asking for hard evidence.O0

Gee I'd love to be able to arrange a ET fly-by past your home - that would be fairly compelling:cheesy: but other than that I cannot arrange hard evidence for you if the testimonies of reliable witnesses are not enough.

[Fiona]

what about the documentary evidence I have asked for? that would be something

[SorryImPsychic]

Ok let me get this straight, once when you were 4 you had an experience that made you believe in UFOs. Can you tell us about this experience? And you should be aware those links you provided are not any form of evidence except perhaps anecdotal which has 0 evidential value to an investigator.

My experience is anecdotal too! It does not make sense that you would even ask me these questions? What would be gained if I related them? Certainly not HARD EVIDENCE from your perspective. :sad:

[SorryImPsychic]

what about the documentary evidence I have asked for? that would be something

Fiona give me approx half an hour to get back to you on this.

[bobdezon]

My experience is anecdotal too! It does not make sense that you would even ask me these questions? What would be gained if I related them? Certainly not HARD EVIDENCE from your perspective. :sad:

By explaining your story we could try and rationalise your experience. It would not serve as evidence for your claim, however it would serve to understand why you believe the things you do. If we can establish your original experience was in error then it naturally follows that your current belief is flawed.

So what happened to you aged 4?

[SorryImPsychic]

By explaining your story we could try and rationalise your experience. It would not serve as evidence for your claim, however it would serve to understand why you believe the things you do. If we can establish your original experience was in error then it naturally follows that your current belief is flawed.

So what happened to you aged 4?

Rationalise my experience - that is impossible - but it happened - my own mother said it was a dream - I don't think you could do better than that.:sad:

[bobdezon]

we wont know unless you try now will we?