Brian Ladd raising money to go to Portugal?

[td17_uk]

what gets me is he has stated he may or not find madeleine but the whole trip is for that and that alone i suggest those that have contributed let him spend the cash and then demand a refund after the fruitless trip (because it will be fruitless and full of inane excuses as to why he couldnt find her, i just cant wait to see the crap he comes out with when he flys home alone (by fly home i mean from the portuguise lookalike scenery of the arizona desert)

i want free unedit access to his webcam without having to put money in his pocket thats the only way he could even begin to claw back some credibillity and to be honest if anyone needs credibillity its him

[Fabala]

td, since you have experience in law enforcement: what is your take on what he recently put on his "fund details" page about breaking into Robert Murat's house? He doesn't come straight out and say that he is going to, but he implies he will have to if Mr. Murat doesn't invite him in to search for Madeleine.

I know that his word is not to be trusted... that we really don't know if he is going... but surely this new developement of criminal intentions on a felony level should be taken seriously, no?

http://briansdreams.com/onlocation/funddetails.htm



"Getting a flight to Lisbon is easy, and there are lots of them...I'm driving my pickup to the airport and leaving it there. My wife is basically in tears because she thinks I'm going to get into trouble over there, she knows how persistent I can be. I keep asking myself what other option do I have besides breaking into Murat's home and looking for myself....if noone else is going to do this, and I think she is still there...what else can I do? I have thought this over long and hard...and if I'm not invited in...how else can I see what's in that hidden room is what I have been seeing in so many of my dreams."

[td17_uk]

http://briansdreams.com/onlocation/

if you go to the above location you will see that brian is no longer gioing to portugal and intends to refund the entire fund.

i was not intending to go public with my involvement in this decision but as brian felt the need to do so i just want to make a few things clear.

1. Although i am a member of this forum and a self proclaimed skeptic this was not in any way a good vs evil, skeptic vs believer battle i purely acted in the way i thought most relevant as a former police officer.

2. I would hope that every one here will see this for what it is and that is someone seeing sense rather then any sort of devious U-turn Mr Ladd had no reason to listen to me but he did and i believe in giving credit wheres its due. I actually applaude Mr Ladd in his reaction to this and I hope that he realises that he has priorities to his family at the moment and not to anything else

3. i dont wish to see Briansdreams closed or put out of buisiness because on the whole it is a personal decision to either believe or disbelieve his gift and i for one even as a skeptic cannot prove either way and so i am not in a position to say his gift does not exsist. I just would like to see Brian and the others who claim simular to think carefully before they act because at the end of the day no-one deserves to suffer for the sake of trying to prove a point, let alone a family have to suffer for those peoples actions.

i hope we can now draw a line under this matter as i think you will all agree that Brian when faced with the facts has acted responsibly in making his decisions and as such i hope he will turn his attentions to helping where he can without putting himself in any risk of trouble and ensuring that his family is in no way put out by his actions.

Please do not see this as any sort of victory it has been an unfortunate state of affairs from the start, i only hope that now we can all resume a more dignified and responsible debate

[Admin]

Excellent work TD. Well done.

You know what? This is exactly how the police and authorities should deal with people like Brian Ladd.

Skeptics like us on this forum cannot really do anything other than make postings on websites and forums in the hope that we have some influence on the supporters of the likes of Brian. It's no where near enough.

So, I'd like to congratulate you (TD) on using your influence and contacts to make sure that the relevant action will be taken against Brian Ladd should he attempt to continue with this plan of his.

He seems to have got the message however, and has indicated that he will refund the money raised to those who have donated to his fund.

I do wish that the police would clamp down much harder on those psychics who wish to involve themselves physically, not just psychically, with crime cases.

[Admin]

Please do not see this as any sort of victory it has been an unfortunate state of affairs from the start, i only hope that now we can all resume a more dignified and responsible debate

I concur with this view.

Let's see this as a victory for common sense (all round) and deal with the situation with dignity and decorum.

Let's just be pleased that a satisfactory outcome has been realised.

[Fabala]

Thank you TD... now we can move on.

[td17_uk]

just recieved my first official 'fan mail' from a subscriber of brians site i must admit it was funny i could almost hear her huffing and puffing as she wrote it LOL

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

just recieved my first official 'fan mail' from a subscriber of brians site i must admit it was funny i could almost hear her huffing and puffing as she wrote it LOL

Td, did you expect that he would publish that in full on his trip page?

I'm happy we've reached this conclusion, but I still have a rather bitter taste in my mouth about the whole thing.

[td17_uk]

Td, did you expect that he would publish that in full on his trip page?

I'm happy we've reached this conclusion, but I still have a rather bitter taste in my mouth about the whole thing.

personally i cant believe anyone would do something so stupid i sent that email to him privately in order to allow him to reverse his plans to travel to portugal and allowing him to say it was for whatever reason he wished.

i had no intention of ever publicly admitting my involvement as i didnt regard this this either as a personal crusade or a personal achievment i only did what i felt as a former police officer i was obliged to do to make it public as brian has done was just a pathetic attempt on his behalf to discredit me which has backfired as any email i recieve that contains defamatory or slanderous comments will be passed onto my solicitor and will in fact be used against him citing the people who sent them as agent provocateur for him as it will have been his website that instigated them. If he wants a fight that could easily have been avoided well he's got it no more Nr niceguy

[Bubblesxx]

What do you mean No more Mr Nice Guy? Has Brian done anything directly wrong to you?

I have read his site and sometimes it does seem to make some sense. I mean, I have read loads of people saying things about the time he lied about the lottery (pretty lame) and the fact that he waits for stories to unfold in foreign countries and then he actually pretends to dream them and writes 'dreams' hours later after events and posts them as before.

But lend me your ears for two seconds....... forget about Brian Ladd for a moment - just think how many people have actually read that site and all of the content about Madeline McCann? Think about how many people have taken the newspaper cuttings, and have sat there and tried to think of reasons why this tragedy happened, all those people racking their brains and trying to outdo eachother to see who will be the first to post on his site. Fair enough you may all think that Brians website is a waste of time and energy, but tell me this - if it has made all of these people sit there and think a bout Madeline and help eachother to try and figure out plans, and give eachother comfort is it soooooo wrong?

I would honestly say it is disgusting if he is trying to make money from people after this terrible misfortune..... but if his site is encouraging people to think and raise awareness for Madeline.......?

I know it is wrong and I am not sticking up for him as I am not a member and have never given him one american dollar (well I am from London so that would actually be hard for me to do anyway).. but I dont understand why people are so adament in getting The Police involved and having Brian arrested?

O and I am new to the forum - maybe this wasn't the best way to say Hello!

[bobdezon]

He is raising funds, not awareness. People are already well aware the child is missing.

[Admin]

O and I am new to the forum - maybe this wasn't the best way to say Hello!

No not really.

You're basically saying that all of his lying, cheating and fraud is justified because it raises awareness of Madeleine McCann's plight.

I would say that Brian Ladd is doing it all to raise awareness of Brian Ladd.

His attempts to cash in on such a tragic case are disgusting - he's no better than the other psychic predators who've attempted to profit (both financially and with publicity) from this case.

[tolman]

...forget about Brian Ladd for a moment - just think how many people have actually read that site and all of the content about Madeline McCann? Think about how many people have taken the newspaper cuttings, and have sat there and tried to think of reasons why this tragedy happened, all those people racking their brains and trying to outdo eachother to see who will be the first to post on his site. Fair enough you may all think that Brians website is a waste of time and energy, but tell me this - if it has made all of these people sit there and think a bout Madeline and help eachother to try and figure out plans, and give eachother comfort is it soooooo wrong?

There's already way more than enough guesswork-based theorising from a worldwide collective of armchair detectives, none of whom seem likely to be of any use unless they have actual information (not 'psychic' visions) that the police don't. Almost everyone will be working on rather less information than the police have, with the disadvantage of lots of press speculation and misinformation that the police will, one hopes, be well informed enough to be able to ignore.

Have any crimes or missing-person cases ever really been solved by some random person doing some amateur thinking based on public-domain information?

Sure, if a million people start guessing about what might have happened, some might end up being right, but if there's no way to tell the right from the mass of wrong theories, such people wouldn't be any practical use.

[Bubblesxx]

No not really.

You're basically saying that all of his lying, cheating and fraud is justified because it raises awareness of Madeleine McCann's plight.

I would say that Brian Ladd is doing it all to raise awareness of Brian Ladd.

His attempts to cash in on such a tragic case are disgusting - he's no better than the other psychic predators who've attempted to profit (both financially and with publicity) from this case.

He is raising awareness for Vrian however it hasn't actually been great awareness has it? I mean before the Madeline Case he seemed pretty genuine, however after more and more people reading into it they have found reason upon reason to call Brian a fake. Does he want a status like that?

He has offered to refund all of his money that he has given, is that saying something?

[td17_uk]

What do you mean No more Mr Nice Guy? Has Brian done anything directly wrong to you?

I have read his site and sometimes it does seem to make some sense. I mean, I have read loads of people saying things about the time he lied about the lottery (pretty lame) and the fact that he waits for stories to unfold in foreign countries and then he actually pretends to dream them and writes 'dreams' hours later after events and posts them as before.

But lend me your ears for two seconds....... forget about Brian Ladd for a moment - just think how many people have actually read that site and all of the content about Madeline McCann? Think about how many people have taken the newspaper cuttings, and have sat there and tried to think of reasons why this tragedy happened, all those people racking their brains and trying to outdo eachother to see who will be the first to post on his site. Fair enough you may all think that Brians website is a waste of time and energy, but tell me this - if it has made all of these people sit there and think a bout Madeline and help eachother to try and figure out plans, and give eachother comfort is it soooooo wrong?

I would honestly say it is disgusting if he is trying to make money from people after this terrible misfortune..... but if his site is encouraging people to think and raise awareness for Madeline.......?

I know it is wrong and I am not sticking up for him as I am not a member and have never given him one american dollar (well I am from London so that would actually be hard for me to do anyway).. but I dont understand why people are so adament in getting The Police involved and having Brian arrested?

O and I am new to the forum - maybe this wasn't the best way to say Hello!

i see your point and its a valid one but he is leading people to believe his own point of view which is dangerous because the people that follow him are so focused oin what he says they are blind to everything else and that can only hurt a case like this