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    Re: Brian Ladd raising money to go to Portugal?

    Access to his Madeleine pages now supposed to be unrestricted:

    UPDATE: It seems obvious that the McCann's do are not going to sue me, and hopefully after this is over...have no intention then either.

    All restrictions to this area are lifted and no password will be needed.

    Brian
    It was only ever the last couple of the pages (now up to 11 ) which needed a password, which was published in his email anyway.

    He is completely bonkers.

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    This is also confusing. KAGI is purely a payment processing capabilty. Once the money is donated there, it is his money.

    He seems to be saying that the fund manager will need to make arrangements with KAGI to get money out quicker than the normal monthly release?

    Kind of assumes that he will continue to use KAGI for his fund, so what role would a fund manager be playing then? All contributions would still be going through the same fund processing capability under the same terms.

    And it seems then that his ability to go as soon as his passport is ready is misleading, if money can't currently be released until 20th October?

    Hi Kevin, I have emailed Brian and had no response as yet but do know he is inundated with emails at present so am not surprised. Please would you mind looking into this below and post something on the site to reassure others who may be having doubts before donating.


    Many thanks.


    Hi Brian, I had a quick look at the donations and noticed the following:-


    EXPENDITURE CHECK BOOK
    date
    balance USD
    Expense description
    9.13.2007
    2,228
    All funds donated to date are still with KAGI, the held funds are released once a month on or around the 20th, for previous months deposits.

    That would mean the funds will only be available to you on 20th October 2007

    I'm sure you have this in order but feel you should reassure your potential contributors that this is the case & how.

    Also I have no doubt that you will be going to Spain but feel you should take photographs outside certain 'famous' locations with yourself in the photo to prove that you have been in this location just because if you cannot locate her you may get a backlash from donators claiming you never went in the first place. Also suggest you keep all related documents ie plane tickets/ confirmation etc as proof. Whatever you do don't keep a diary or take a bible!! (only joking)
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    Everything will be posted, and you are correct about October 20th date, but I'm sure that once a fund is setup, the fund manager can make arraignments with KAGI on this issue.
    We are planning recording video of much of what we are going to do as well as doing several live pod casts, this material will be made available to all everyone that's donated.
    I also have records of all contributors, to include email addresses and will ensure that everyone that's donated will be given credit.
    Remember, all I'm doing is collecting and recording donations, I will not be in charge of the fund nor do I want to be.
    I would suggest again, that if people do not want to use KAGI, please wait until the fund is setup.
    Brian



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    Re: Brian Ladd raising money to go to Portugal?

    Cannot believe this guy, he's STILL asking you to donate to his fund - just had a look at the list of donors and some are giving him loads!!

    Any offers to donate to my new car fund?

    Hmmm thought not lol

  4. #64

    Re: Brian Ladd raising money to go to Portugal?

    Latest series of emails/comments from his site:

    9.17.2007
    Hello Brian

    I've been reading on the Mirror forum that you are asking for £50,000 to be donated into the fund before you will take your trip. That is a heck of a lot of money to go to Portugal isn't it?

    I've donated to this fund thinking that you are really going to try to find Maddie, but now I'm not so sure. Please can I have a refund?

    Jill
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    Hi Jill, well it was $50,000 US and it was just a guess, but sure, just ask KAJI for a refund, I will approve it right away.
    This also goes for anyone else, please ask for your money back if you're not sure about me.


    Brian
    $50,000 = about £25,000, for all costs for my team of three right now, personally I do not think this estimate is that off.
    Brian


    He must be pricing first class tickets. Either that of he thinks Europe is hell of expensive.

    Dear Brian, ive followed your site since a few days after Maddy went missing and although throughtout the Maddy case, I have been a little sceptical at times at the things that have been written in the papers and on the news, i have found comfort from the shear determination you have shown and the time you have dedicated to help search for Maddy.After reading the comments made about the need for a refund from money donated for your trip,i was shocked.I donated, not necsasarily because i felt that you would be able to go abroad and bring Maddy back (although if you could, that would be fantastic), but because i felt that at last someone was doing something that was bringing people together in the hope of gaining some answers! The Maddy fund in know over a million pounds and yet, what has it realy achieved!! a few posters on the wall and a lot of high powered people with tight purse strings! I wish you well on your journey, all the best x
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    Hi, thanks, we are going to go...and I'm happy to refund anyone's money, but when the trust is setup, I will not have this control.
    Like I said, we will try everything we know to help find her, although there are some things I cannot post until later.
    It also seems that when something is posted on a message board, people seem to think the author knows everything about me and my intentions...well if they do, then why even donate to the cause.
    I do not know how the fund is operated in the UK, but setting up a non-profit in the US does take some paperwork and unfortunately some time.
    I do not believe anymore posters are needed of Madeleine, as it seems the media has done this work for free...but would highly suggest offering a reward to the Portuguese people than can prove police corruption in this case. Hiring a PI might also be a good idea...people have told me that the McCann's cannot legally do this. Not sure why this is, but I would suggest they find a way around that...if they haven't already done this months ago.
    Brian
    Remember this man has already been caught forging his dreams. He has no chance of finding her. Maybe he really is trying to just fund a holiday?

    Kevin chips in. Remember, Brian can't afford to keep his electricity in his house on for his new born baby and wife, but he has a manager. Notice how Kevin talks about himself in the third person below. You could almost imagine that Brian was writing it and forgot that 'Kevin' was supposed to be writing it . Or would that be just too cynical?

    Spelling and grammar are atrocious.

    FROM KEVIN
    Monday Sept. 19th. 2007 19:35 hours

    From: Kevin

    Subject: Fund

    Hello all,

    First I want to say thank you to everyone that donated to the pre-fund that Brian was kind enough to create before the legal fund could be created.

    When Brian was asked to go and possibly find Madeleine McCann countless times he finally took a chance to do so recently. What should have been over stated was the following facts based on this.

    *Brian and Kevin did not and do not understand in how to start a legal non for profit fund, which takes a lot of time to do when you start at the beginning. So Brian decided to open an account based on the majoritys emails wanting to donate now and without a legal fund. Brian even posted statements concerning some of this.

    Today I found out that we most likely need a tax lawyer and I have already contacted one and await his research based on the information that I have given him concerning where we are at right now. I even gave his receptionist this webpage right here to look over. I was told by another lawyer that we needed a tax lawyer because the fund involves donations from around the world.

    As soon as I talk to this tax lawyer and if he agrees to help us all I will give all information to Brian to post here, including who this tax lawyer is and where he is located and more. I will only be involved with this unless we have legal advice and help concerning the non for profit fund. After the legal fund has been established we will go from there.

    *Because of my day job I can not immediately do all of this and have been working for this when I am not working my day job. My day job consist of me being on-call 24/7, weekdays, nights, weekends, holidays because I am a wrecker driver (tow truck driver). I am doing the best that I can and I do understand how anxious everyone is, including me, but I am doing all this while working my day job.

    *Misunderstanding are not any part nor will they be any part of what we are doing here at anytime, but if you feel that to be so please ask for a refund right now as Brian has already stated.

    I will say that Brian and I should of took more quality time in investigating all aspects of having a nonprofit fund before we agreed to do this for everyone and that Brian based most of his past descisions on how the majoritys countless email out cries concerning little Maddy and Brian going and possibly finding her, but all of that is the past and this is now. We will continue to do the best that we can and if you want to stay and help great, if not great! I just want everyone to be comfortable in what is going on here.

    Thank you,

    -Kevin.


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    Re: Brian Ladd raising money to go to Portugal?

    And a selection of the latest emails from his site

    Sorry for the length, but it shows the madness that is going on over there.

    Hi Brian!
    You have already heard from me quite a bit today on various dd's, but your more recent one with the elephant-esque figure in the middle, I took a quick nap today and saw a man dressed as an elephant, or with an elephant's head, sort of dingy, around the kids, sort of entertaining, but it seemed more like he was trying to conceal his identity from someone or for some reason. Is it possible that could be connected to your drawing? Also, I did see your drawing earlier today, so that may have affected my dream.

    Hope this helps!!


    Tara:)
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    Hi, not sure, but everything helps.
    Brian



    Hi Brian!
    I spent all of yesterday reading your pages on the Madeleine McCann case--I was completely hooked on all of your findings. I went to bed with a mission, focused on having a dream that may somehow help to find her. Lastnight, just after I had fallen asleep holding my little son's hand, I got the distinct message "Andersen" shouted at me(could be spelled "Anderson"). I have included a link to what I could find when googling "Andersen" and "Madeleine McCann" and have come up with Anderson Cooper's interview with the McCann's, a transcript report from CNN. Here is the link, as the transcript is rather long http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0709/08/cnr.03.html . You will find the interview I am speaking of by scrolling about 3/4 of the way down. I don't know if this helps or is even related to this case, but I was in the frame of mind where all my thoughts and energy were focused on Madeleine. I also found this article in Time about Anderson Cooper himself, where he clearly states on the second page that he can blend in with any group, from Neo-Nazis to pedophiles. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1202917-1,00.html
    That sentence really jumped out at me, so I thought I would pass it on to you. As you know, Anderson Cooper is one of the most recognized media figures in all of the world, and works for CNN, one of if not the most reputable news outlets today. I could be way off, but when you feel something, you should just say it, right??

    Also, when I googled Andersen + Portugal, I came up with this book by Arthur Andersen, Global Lessons in Activity-Based Management, and there is a large section dedicated to Portugal Telecom (correct me if I am wrong, has been mentioned quite a few times in this blog) and how it came to be what it is today. Here is the link to excerpts from the book:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0471362883/ref=sib_pdp_cap_0/002-4301673-1728827?ie=UTF8&keywords=Portugal%20Telecom&ie=UTF 8&v=search-inside#reader-page

    I dreamt differently than I ever have before, very choppy, like scenes flashing quickly. I also heard a word or name starting with M, not Madeleine, McCann, or Murat, possibly a native word. I repeated it to myself when I woke up in the middle of the night, and was convinced I would remember, but have forgotten now. That will teach me to keep a paper and pen next to the bed.

    Earlier in the day, when putting my son down for a nap, I tried really hard to focus on where she might be. My eyes got blurry, and my wall looked like it had started moving, like trickles of water were flowing down it. I felt like it was a dark wall, like stone or concrete, and could possibly be a modern flat waterfall like the ones that are so popular today.

    This is a long shot, and my first try at something like this, though I have always felt somewhat in tune with my intuitions. Again, like you probably know, I could be way off or this could have to do with someone else, but it felt so different than ever before, I felt the need to share. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me! I love your work and believe in your amazing ability. What you do with it is what makes you so special!

    Tara, from California:)

    ps-I cannot wait to look at your other cases!

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    Thanks, please do, it would be really nice to have the other cases as active as this one.
    Brian




    Hi Brian
    Just to let you know that I’ve sent the below DDs to Leicestershire UK police, perhaps they will know the name Jose Covha
    http://www.briansprediction.com/dd/5973.htm
    Kind regards
    Z
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    Thanks Z, I just got an email saying a Jose Cunha is a prosecutor in the case...it maybe him.
    Brian
    This is actually an great example of how he works. He plucks out details from the media, sticks them in a drawing and waits for someone to report back to say his dream is a hit. Very, very simple and seems to be extremely effective with his followers.

    And here is another example. Why are his followers so fecking gullble?

    Hi Brian,

    The numbers in DD5673 " 20111973" are interesting. Robert Murat's date of birth is 20/11/1973.

    Ann

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    Thanks Ann.
    Brian
    and again...although someone thinks he is called "Brain" now

    Hello Brain,I noticed in your dream DD5973 that the numbers 20111973 appeared it looked to me like a date of birth. In going back in the case file to where it showed Robert Murats car hire receipt this is his date of birth 20/11/1973. I was,nt sure if you had picked that up. I have never wrote to you before but check your site everyday for new information. All the best for your trip I hope it has a happy ending
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    Thanks for reading, I was just informed of this about an hour ago.
    Brian

    More dream nonsense....

    9.18.2007
    Brian, thank you so much for all the work you've done on this topic... it's not just your dreams, although those are helpful, but your entire website with post after post after post of links and thoughts and crazy tangents and truly valuable insight (from yourself and others). It's really great, and forces anyone who thinks they "know" what happened to open their mind.

    That said, I've got my own dream/intuition regarding Madeleine. I'm not sure I share your confidence that Maddie is alive, although I certainly believe it's possible. However, for two months now, whenever I've asked the dream spirits to shed some light on this matter, the primary thing that comes up is this: Harvest moon. I think there will be a big break in the case on or around September 26 , this year's full harvest moon. So most likely , your trip to Portugal will not happen, unless you make it there before then, and perhaps CAUSE the big break :)

    I'm curious why this case has generated such a huge amount of interest and downright obsession on the part of so many, myself included. My husband doesn't quite understand the whole phenomenon and I'm unable to explain it to him, except to say it's an amazing mystery story.

    LIke others, I pray for the little girl's safe return,

    Kay
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    Hi Kay, no need to thank me, my reader do most of the works.
    As for the obsession in this case...the media is to take some of the credit, but basically when a child goes missing, any child, our human instinct to protect the innocent takes over.
    Brian
    'Dream Spirits'?????


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    mostly female responses.....? hhhmmmmmm:-\???
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    Women do seem to be more inclined to woo than men - probably because old ideas about women's "intuition" and "sensitivity" die hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julia View Post
    Women do seem to be more inclined to woo than men - probably because old ideas about women's "intuition" and "sensitivity" die hard.
    There was a thread about this on the JREF forum a while back. The general consensus was that women aren't really more susceptible, they just go for different woo. Women tend to go for new age stuff, psychics, crystals and the like, while men go more for UFOs, bigfoots, anything that sounds technical and uses the word "quantum" and so on. Unfortunately their search function seems a little broken at the moment so I can't find a link to it.
    Better sorry than safe.

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    Yes, that makes sense - I must have missed the JREF thread. I can't summon up the slightest bit of interest in the Bigfoot affair - probably because I'm a woman, or perhaps it's more of an American thing...

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    Search seems all better now.
    http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=86543

    In all fairness, it's mostly anecdotes and speculation, but it does seem to agree with my experience. For example, the 9/11 conspiracy nuts are almost exclusively male, as are the bigfooters, but crystals and related things seem very much dominated by women. An interesting point raised is that while psychic clients are mostly women, there are a lot of male psychics around. It seems beliefs depend to a certain extent on gender (although I think this is probably more social than genetic), but fraud is equal opportunity.
    Better sorry than safe.

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    In my experience a lot of male psychics are gay.
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    "I'm curious why this case has generated such a huge amount of interest and downright obsession on the part of so many, myself included. My husband doesn't quite understand the whole phenomenon and I'm unable to explain it to him, except to say it's an amazing mystery story. "




    An amazing mystery story, eh? Well I'm sure the McCanns will take comfort in the fact that their daughter's disappearance is so entertaining.

    But I think it is very common - people forgetting that for one family, this is horrendous reality. It might explain why people are so keen to speculate, get excited over the wildest, most improbably theories, and believe "psychics". Reading mystery novels, watching movies.... the more gullible and dim among us begin to get real life and fiction a bit muddled.

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    Hmmmm, an interesting update today.

    The original fund has met it's objective, and is closed, although you can still donate more if you want to help other missing persons worldwide

    fund details as of 9.18.2007 9:40 PM EST USA
    total contributors: 126 | total amount: USD 5,512 GBP 2,588 | highest contribution: USD 200, donated by: Elaine, Jacqui, Natasha, Chris, Ian and Sharon

    The goal of this fund has now been reached, and additional donations will not go into the trip to find Madeleine but be placed in a general non-profit fund to help find missing persons worldwide. If you still wish to donate to this fund, please click here and enter the amount you wish to contribute in the "On Location, Missing Persons Fund" box.
    5k dollars is a hell lot less than the 50k he originally set out to scam, sorry raise I mean

    Now it looks like Kevin can't go because he would lose his job. I wonder why he didn't think of that in the original planning stage?

    Brian will be going himself, I don't know what happened to the rest of the party.

    It seems there have been unforseen difficulties setting up the non-profit trust

    So, anyway, to distract us from that bad news and get us back on track, 'Kevin' (who has never actually met Brian we now learn) decides to tell us a dream he has just had in which Brian finds a little girl. Oh, those heartstrings are being tugged real hard....

    9.18.2007
    Monday Sept. 18th. 20:30 hours

    From Kevin:

    Subject: Brian and Kevin.

    Hello,

    The tax attorney that I had contacted yesterday called my office back today, while I was on a tow call, and left a message, which to say the least was a little embarrasing for me because I didn't want my employer to know what I was doing and because it would possibly raise questions concerning me leaving for this trip.

    Basically the message stated that he did not have the means to handle "fee's" (meaning from the fund, for me and Brian and our expences) and he did not know of any other attorney that could do this either. It seems that finding someone to handle any of this right away, at least some one with a law back ground is not going to happen right away.

    Based on what Brian and I discussed after the most recent Dream Talk recording/broadcast this evening Brian has placed his faith that the current fund could be used without going through the process of making it any more legal than what it already is. Basically the fund will be used to help search for and possibly locate missing/abducted children, with the first being Madelene MacCann. I found a website that may be able to help us. I am going to contact www.501c3.org and see what they can do.

    I don't think I should go with Brian because I may lose my job in the process. Too bad because i have never met Brian in the flesh as of yet. On another note...

    I had a dream recently that I was with Brian and a little girl in another country or "place", and I don't know where it was. I will say that we we're all walking on a cobble stone street of some kind and that there were old buildings, like in Italy maybe, even though I have never been out of the country in my life time so far. I don't remember what this little girl looked like either except that she was small, maybe 3,4 or even 5 years old..

    We we're all happy standing there in one spot, after walking briefly, like in a circle around one another and I felt as if the little girl was just recently found by us. Brian was smiling and I seemed happy as the little girl was playful and happy. I think that I did have a camera with me but it was like I was not thinking about it, or something like that.

    All of a sudden the little girl started running away from us like it was a game for her to do so. I could hear her laughing as she ran away. I suddenly felt that it was important that she remained with Brian and I, yet I just watched as she ran because it was a shock to me for some reason. Kind of like when something very unexpected happens yet you are to shocked to do anything about it. Brian then stated to me, "Kevin, go find her!". It was like I was granted permission to then go and bring her back to us, but why would any sane person need permission!? I then started running after her and the feeling of just how important she was started to over come me some how as I ran after her.

    She was very quick but so was I, but as I came close to her she slowly became invisible, like that movie, "The Predator". I could still see her but it was like looking at moving water or waves of invisbility. I soon caught up with her and she then became herself again. She was just as happy as she was before she had ran away from us. I then looked around at the surroundings of where me and this little girl were and to find that me and this little girl we're in a very strange place. It was like a cave or an ancient building or maybe just an old building, I really don't know now.

    To my surprise I could hear other children in shadows of this dark place. It was like I was in a trance because I was now shocked to know that there we're other children involved that are connected to the little girl and why me and Brian were also involved some how. The little girl with a smile then ran off again into the shadows, maybe to play with the other children I think. I then woke up remembering the same details of this dream, which you have now just read.

    During the Dream Talk program I mentioned some of this same this dream in relation to our guests research work on dreams, but I was afraid to go into details about it because i did not want to take away from what the guest (Bob Van De Castle) was talking about. After the program Brian told me that he had a similar dream, which is the reason in why I felt that I should document my dream here (I don't have a dream diary that I keep).

    It is possible that my dream was about me and Brian being in Portugal and finding little Maddy alive, either way I hope she is soon found like all the other missing/abducted children around the world.

    Thanks,

    -Kevin

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    Brian adds a note. I don't understand how he can go when the funds aren't released until 20th Ocotober? That is over a month away. He is supposed to be skint remember.

    This will be interesting to see if the video commentary materialises.

    I wonder if his passport will fail to arrive, or if some other issue will spring up preventing his trip. Or maybe he has a nice fortnight booked all-inclusive

    NOTICE: I will be going to Portugal by myself and will leave as soon as my passport arrives.
    It seems the only way to make this happen sooner is for me to go by myself directly to Praia da Luz and search for Madeleine, and it also seems to be the opinion of many of my readers.
    I will not be posting when I leave, but will provided a video/audio documentary to all fund supporters while in and after I leave country. This material will be sent via email and I do have everyone that's contributed contact information.
    There is now plenty of money in the fund for me to go and there is no need to donate anymore. The funds in this account will not be used until October 22nd when they become available, I will deduct the amount of trip expenses for me only from this amount, the rest will go into the non-profit that Kevin is working on.
    We do have many idea's for the use of this future fund, but it dose not seem that it will happen before I leave.
    Again, that you to everyone that's donated so far, and again, any further donations from this point out will not be used by me in this case but go directly in the OnLocation - Missing Persons Fund when properly setup.
    I would also like to thank Kevin for all the work he has put into this thus far.
    Brian

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    Oh my god, that's the biggest load of poo that I've ever read in my entire life!!!

    So if Kev and Bri haven't met yet, how come they appear such close buds? Would you seriously go abroad with someone that you hadn't met or had no previous knowledge of?

    After looking at the spelling and grammar content of both I believe that they are the same person. Seems to me Bri's cocked up bigtime with 'Kev' this time - does he really think we are that thick that we don't notice???
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