So what frequency is a spirit?

[MRT]

We are often told that spirits are on a different frequency or wavelength that only some people can see/hear. Can someone with experience in communicating with spirits please tell me what this frequency is?

Also, given that there is a frequency, it implies there is something vibrating. What exactly is this, please? Is it electromagnetism / sound or something else completely? If so, what?

Thanks in advance for the info.

[bruno.j]

We are often told that spirits are on a different frequency or wavelength that only some people can see/hear. Can someone with experience in communicating with spirits please tell me what this frequency is?

Also, given that there is a frequency, it implies there is something vibrating. What exactly is this, please? Is it electromagnetism / sound or something else completely? If so, what?

Thanks in advance for the info.

i will be interested in answers to this one too - as i have been pondering this very question for some time - of course there are not many in either the paranormal or sceptic world - that make serious attempts to answer such a question -( science may eventually provide some clues with quantum physics ????? ) - but of course any one who has got any real information is highly unlikely to post it here as they will only get poo pooed for any ideas ( i may be wrong of course )

- i will say one thing for (some of ) the so called woo sites - they are more open to discussion on such things - and there are one or two people who ,whilst their work is generally derided - ARE making genuine attempts to answer this question - given that they have limited resources - no financial backing - and would probably kill for the facilities even a first year student has access to in the average university

so if any one DOES stick their head above the parapet - lets at least give them a fair hearing eh ??

bruno.j

[bobdezon]

We are often told that spirits are on a different frequency or wavelength that only some people can see/hear. Can someone with experience in communicating with spirits please tell me what this frequency is?

Also, given that there is a frequency, it implies there is something vibrating. What exactly is this, please? Is it electromagnetism / sound or something else completely? If so, what?

Thanks in advance for the info.

I cannot commune with the dead, but I shall try to answer the concept as best as I undertand it.

They operate (it would appear) on a purely imaginary frequency. Frequency, wavelength, planes, vibrations are just psuedo scientific explanations on how they are thought to operate in a logical sounding fashion. Believers are very good at mixing known science with ridiculous concepts in a frankenstian attempt to meld the two diametrically opossed concepts into a single unified theory. This lends a common knowlege creedance to their explanation for how such impossible things are not only possible but probable.

Psychics and mediums are said to be like a natural "tuning fork", they are said to be born with a "gift" possibly a biological mutation, or altered brian chemistry which allows them to "attune" to the "vibrations" the rest of us peons are unaware of. This makes them "special". They dont always see the deceased, some hear them, some recieve "impressions", they all have different names like clairvoyance,clairsentience, clairaudience, claircognizance,clairalience, and clairgustance. But in over 130 years of research non has been proven to be true or even possible.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

They operate (it would appear) on a purely imaginary frequency.

Love it

You only have to look at all the different explanations from mediums as to how 'it works' to see that they each have their own version. So basically the illusion is all man-made (or woman-made mostly 8))

[MRT]

There are a few people who post here who have had messages from the dead so I'm hoping they can supply the information.

PS: It's not often you hear the word 'peon' used - are you Spanish or has it just become fashionable (fashions pass me by so I wouldn't know)?

[dalriada]

Possibly as skeptics we should be thinking of spirits in terms of "proof" ?


"Spirits shall be deemed to be at proof if the volume of the ethyl alcohol contained therein made up to the volume of the spirits with distilled water has a weight equal to that of twelve-thirteenths of a volume of distilled water equal to the volume of the spirits, the volume of each liquid being computed as at fifty-one degrees Fahrenheit."


Customs and Excise Act of 1952

[bobdezon]

Love it

You only have to look at all the different explanations from mediums as to how 'it works' to see that they each have their own version. So basically the illusion is all man-made (or woman-made mostly 8))

Well women have always been deemed mysterious and strange by men, its only natural that mysticism is usually atrributed mainly to women practitioners, like the oracles of delphi or witches etc.

There are a few people who post here who have had messages from the dead so I'm hoping they can supply the information.

PS: It's not often you hear the word 'peon' used - are you Spanish or has it just become fashionable (fashions pass me by so I wouldn't know)?

I would assume given the nature of the forum that should be "allegedly" recieved messages from the dead, but I understand what you mean

No I am not spanish, I am english. I chose the word peon because it seems nicer than "the great unwashed" and incidentally Im also a warcraft fan. I dont think its a fashionable word, just a rarely used word that breaks the monotony of normal descriptions.
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[Cuddles]

Possibly as skeptics we should be thinking of spirits in terms of "proof" ?


"Spirits shall be deemed to be at proof if the volume of the ethyl alcohol contained therein made up to the volume of the spirits with distilled water has a weight equal to that of twelve-thirteenths of a volume of distilled water equal to the volume of the spirits, the volume of each liquid being computed as at fifty-one degrees Fahrenheit."


Customs and Excise Act of 1952

And people try to claim that imperial units make sense.

[MRT]

I am genuinely interested in a serious answer to this thread. I would like just a few details from the 'other side' I can get my teeth into. I find what I've come across so far too vague to be of any use.

[Tin Lizzie]

MRT,

My own knowledge on this precise matter comes from messages received by others from particular guides. There is also written material which refers to spirits existing on higher vibrational levels and higher frequencies; the difficulty in communication between us and them arises from our different wavelengths, like radio communication.

There is a lot of material available showing how meditation increases the frequency of our 'brain waves' by as much as 200% on top of the natural level. Obviously this would make it easier to 'receive' as we become more aligned with the spirit plane. As an initial probe into this, please read

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/EEGmeditation.htm

This research is also interesting, although it is more related to quantum formulae


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orch-OR

Thanks for at least allowing some exploration, MRT

[Admin]

Tim, I've only had a cursory glance at those links but they do not address the original question: they're to do with theories of the production of consciousness.

I think the original question is an excellent one and an answer to what these vibrations, frequencies and energies actually are would go a long way to fostering an understanding of why psychics claim they exist.

[Tin Lizzie]

John

Perhaps I should have stressed that I can only speculate. The frequencies and vibrations referred to on 'our side' may well not have anything in common with the same terms in conventional physics.

My wikipedia link - okay, not wholly relevant and I apologise.

The first link is actually relevant in that it highlights the raising of brain-wave amplitudes at higher frequencies. This may be a pure coincidence in termionology here - I am no neuroscientist - but the fact that meditation has this effect opens up the possibility that this kind of 'frequency' may be linked to spirit communication.

[MRT]

So the frequency we are referring to is in brain waves - is that correct? If that is so, are we talking about using electromagnetic waves to communicate from the dead to the brain of a receiver (given that brain waves, or rythms, are electromagnetic)?

[SimonC]

Perhaps I should have stressed that I can only speculate. The frequencies and vibrations referred to on 'our side' may well not have anything in common with the same terms in conventional physics.

This seems to be very similar to the get-out clause offered by many religious people, when they try to answer the question - 'If God created the universe, and there was nothingness before he did so, then where did he ( she/it ) come from?'.

The typical response seems to be that 'God' exists, and always existed, somehow beyond the physical universe, and thus didn't need to 'come from' anywhere.

Basically, it just seems to mean - "I don't know, so it must be magic ". That's really not an answer to anything.

[Tin Lizzie]

This seems to be very similar to the get-out clause offered by many religious people, when they try to answer the question - 'If God created the universe, and there was nothingness before he did so, then where did he ( she/it ) come from?'.

The typical response seems to be that 'God' exists, and always existed, somehow beyond the physical universe, and thus didn't need to 'come from' anywhere.

Basically, it just seems to mean - "I don't know, so it must be magic ". That's really not an answer to anything.

If you have nothing to contribute other than serious discussion without referring to mockery, stay out of this thread please.