I thought big bang theory, planetary formation and Darwin would be 'wikkid'. Even drew my own graphics and took Son to the Space centre in Leicester. But no, pasta based religions are way more kewlOriginally Posted by SimonC
Heh! My girlfriend's 12 year old lad happily dismisses the bible as a load of rubbish, but he also believes passionately in the Loch Ness Monster "because plesiosaurs are, like, really, really 'wikkid'...".
Argumentum ad Wikkidum, I reckon.
As a bonus, he now eats Spaghetti Bolognaise
I thought big bang theory, planetary formation and Darwin would be 'wikkid'. Even drew my own graphics and took Son to the Space centre in Leicester. But no, pasta based religions are way more kewl
Well, science is brilliant, of course, but pasta and pirates!!?? - takes a lot to beat the appeal of that!!
hell I would say its essential
it would be a far better idea to show this in class rooms rather than 'An Inconvenient Truth'
When spraying of DDT stopped in Ceylon (present day Sri Lanka), malaria cases rose from 17 in 1963 to 2.5 goddamn million in 1969. But, hey at least there's a lot more Mosquitoes around.
All though the possibility exists that there is intelligent life in the universe, all we know is that there is none here.
The draft resolution Doc. 11375: The dangers of creationism in education was
Lord Russell-Johnston appears to be the most prominent UK representative (Baroness Hooper- a Tory- didn't attend eth meeting), however Lord Russell-Johnston is a Lib Dem so I'm not sure what the status of the resolution is.adopted unanimously by the Committee on 14 September 2007
Members of the Committee: Mr Jacques Legendre (Chairman), Baroness Hooper, (Alternate: Lord Russell-Johnston), Mr Wolfgang Wodarg, Mrs Anne Brasseur, (Vice-Chairpersons), Mr Hans Ager, Mr Kornél Almássy, Mrs Donka Banović, Mr Lars Barfoed, Mr Rony Bargetze, Mr Lars Bartos, Mrs Marie-Louise Bemelmans-Videc, Mr Radu Mircea Berceanu, Mr Levan Berdzenishvili, Mrs Oksana Bilozir, Mrs Guofinna Bjarnadóttir, Mrs Maria Luisia Boccia, Mrs Margherita Boniver, Mr Ioannis Bougas, Mr Osman Coşkunoğlu, Mr Vlad Cubreacov, Mr Ivica Dačić, Mrs Maria Damanaki, Mr Joseph Debono Grech, Mr Stepan Demirchyan, Mr Ferdinand Devinski, Mrs Åse Gunhild Woie Duesund, Mr Detlef Dzembritzki, Mrs Anke Eymer, Mr Relu Fenechiu, Mrs Blanca Fernández-Capel, Mrs Maria Emelina Fernández-Soriano, Mr Axel Fischer, Mr José Freire Antunes, (Alternate; Mr José Luis Arnaut), Mr Eamon Gilmore, Mr Stefan Glǎvan, Mr Luc Goutry, Mr Vladimir Grachev, Mr Andreas Gross, Mr Jean-Pol Henry, Mr Rafael Huseynov, Mr Fazail Ibrahimli, Mrs Halide İncekara, Mrs Evguenia Jivkova, Mr Morgan Johansson, Mr Ali Rashid Khalil, Mr József Kozma, Mr Jean-Pierre Kucheida, (Alternate; Mr Jean-Marie Geveaux), Mr Markku Laukkanen, Mr Guy Lengagne, Mrs Jagoda Majska-Martinčević, Mrs Milica Marković, Mr Tomasz Markowski, Mr Andrew McIntosh, Mr Ivan Melnikov, Mrs Maria Manuela Melo, Mrs Assunta Meloni, Mr Paskal Milo, Mrs Christine Muttonen, Mrs Miroslava Nĕmcová, Mr Edward O’Hara, Mr Kent Olsson, Mr Andrey Pantev, Mrs Antigoni Pericleous Papadopoulos, Mr Azis Pollozhani, Mrs Majda Potrata, Mr Lluis Maria de Puig, Mr Zbigniew Rau, Mrs Anta Rugāte, Mr Indrek Saar, Mr André Schneider, Mr Urs Schweitzer, Mr Vitaliy Shybko, Mrs Geraldine Smith, Mrs Albertina Soliani, Mr Yury Solonin, Mr Christophe Spiliotis-Saquet, Mr Valeriy Sudarenkov, Mr Petro Symonenko, Mr Mehmet Tekelioğlu, Mr Ed van Thijn, Mr Piotr Wach, Mr Emanuelis Zingeris
More info here.
Where?
I shouldn't worry about kids. I was sent to a roman catholic primary school for reasons of logistics, but despite the regular church-goings and religious indoctrination, and one or two serious attempts to believe, I never did. I have atheist parents who never pushed me one way or the other, they just quietly get on with the business of life and that had much more effect than 7 years of bullcrap from nuns.
Carry On Secularists probably wouldn't make a great movie, but it's good advice I think!
Snaffling sheep from the flock of woo
-bobdezon
I'm not sure where else to post this, but this thread seems like as good a place as any.
My girlfriend's lad is impressively intelligent, and I have great, enjoyable conversations with him. Tonight, however, he told me he has learned that "dragons were real", based on a documentary dvd that he watched.
I borrowed the movie, and I am watching it now. It's a 'mockumentary' called "The Last Dragon", published by Discovery Communications Inc. From what I gather, this is part of the Discovery Channel.
The film starts with a cgi scene of fire-breathing dragons squaring-up to a T-Rex, then there is an understated, passing comment in the intro about 'the most amazing species that never existed', before cutting to a scene of a supposed paleontologist in the 'London Museum of Natural Sciences' "noticing scorch marks on the fossilised skull of a T Rex". And so it continues...
The whole thing is narrated and filmed like a real documentary, very much in the style of 'Walking With Dinosaurs'.
So now I have the thankless task of explaining to an imaginative 12 year old lad that this is fiction, not factual documentary. And branding myself a miserable killjoy, by doing so. I hope the idiots that made this piece of crap enjoyed every f*****g penny they gained from their idiocy.
Last edited by SimonC; 30th March 2008 at 04:25 AM.
I enjoyed the last dragon tbh (if its the same one Im thinking of, last breeding pair in the mountains etc, killed by vikings or something) Its an entertaining work of "what if" fiction. I dont think It was meant to be taken as a literal account of historical mythological animals.
De omnibus dubitandum
I expect it's just me being a grumpy old skeptic then.
If it was used as a teaching aid, or presented as factual then I would have to agree with you. Its not like a sceptic to be grumpy now is it?
De omnibus dubitandum
there seems to be a worrying pusch by the fundamenatlists to force learn ( and in turn indoctrinate into their superstitions) our children who should be taught facts .. not fiction when it comes to science. creative writing is part of the english syllabus. without trying to radicalise i would suggest that anyone that finds out about any of this intellectual poison seeping into their childrens education should fight it with some ferocity and perhaps ( as were all mostly from the uk) use sites like this to drum up in valuable support
I love that film .... feeling the need to watch it again ..
It appears that US creationists have changed tack again (since their attempt to get "Intelligent Design" accepted as a scientific theory was blocked a couple of years ago) and are now trying to push consideration of creationism using the slogan "teach the controversy!". As the New Scientist put it (9 July):
Instead of trying to prove that ID is science, they have sought to bestow on teachers the right to introduce non-scientific alternatives to evolution under the banner of "academic freedom".So far, six US states have passed laws allowing the teaching of alternative views in "controversies" such as evolution and climate change.
The creationists are persistent and determined, and not likely to give up - they believe they have God on their side, after all...
It's depressing, but creationists are well-funded and have been sending glossy teaching aids to UK schools as well. Given that only 75% of British people accept the theory of evolution, there is still much work to be done (although admittedly not so much as in the USA, where the figures are roughly 40% each for accept/don't accept evolution, with 20% undecided).
The phrase I keep hearing is "Strengths and Weaknesses"
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