Noesitherapy

**alganbagerap** · 15th July 2010, 12:51 PM

Does anyone have experience or knowlege of Noesitherapy? Otherwise known as Healing by Thinking, its proponents claim that anesthesia-free surgery is easily acheivable; and indeed there is a large body of supposed evidence on Youtube.

However, this technique has been around for over thirty years. If it is effective, then why has it yet to reach main stream medicine? Your thoughts please.

**brianp** · 15th July 2010, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by alganbagerap

However, this technique has been around for over thirty years. If it is effective, then why has it yet to reach main stream medicine? Your thoughts please.

You answered this yourself - it's been around for over 30 years yet it's still not mainstream. If it was as effective and revolutionary as claimed, wouldn't the medical and dental worlds be positively humming as the dentists and surgeons eagerly anticipate the millions they'll make from the jab-free/pain-free treatments this technique would allow? The fact that this hasn't happened makes me very sceptical of the claims.

And whatever that is on YouTube, it's not evidence. For one thing, we don't know what happened immediately before the video began - like a large shot of novocaine.

**DrS** · 15th July 2010, 05:46 PM

This is weird. The doctor is Spanish, so I Spanish googled expecting to find a non-existent fraud, someone with made-up qualifications, or someone that someone had exposed, but no. He's a real doctor, he's been interviewed by the serious press here, no-one's trying to explain how it works but they accept something's happening.

OK, this doesn't say anything, but THIS article interviewing him on the process is in El Mundo, and that's a serious paper. Generally he says he's been doing it for years, and has been opposed by the pharmaceutical industry, and not exactly clapped on the back by medical colleagues, but it works. They've interviewed patients too, and the journalist doing the report has been in an operating room while surgery was done under the procedure and has interviewed a satisfied patient.

This isn't a mickey mouse publication. Not saying it's right, but El Mundo is most definitely not rubbish press.

**Pebble** · 15th July 2010, 07:08 PM

Remarkable then that in 1991 he says that he had carried out over 600 such procedures, yet he has not once published on his technique!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...tool=pmcentrez

If he is not interested in publication, why keep going to the media. If he is interested, why not work with a university hospital to undertake a randomised trial? He has not even published a case series!

So in essence there is no evidence to assess.

**alganbagerap** · 16th July 2010, 11:01 PM

My initial interest was sparked two years ago when a midwife asked if I could translate a Spanish medical text for her. It was one of Dr. Escudero's, and his ideas are evidently known and used in midwifery.
This week a neighbour returned from a Noesitherapy course in Spain, convinced of its worth but unable to explain its mechanisms. It seems that one must maintain a mouthful of saliva and believe that one is anesthetised.
More than just a hint of NLP perhaps. Trouble is, after a short session with the neighbour; my back is giving me no pain but my brain is.

**Musayyeb** · 17th July 2010, 01:26 PM

There is a technique, but he does not want to teach it...
In his BBC series, he wouldn't allow the camera to film him when he talks to the patient...
That was around 2 minutes of conversation...
However, he teaches the patients to do this to themselves, albeit for lrge sums of money...
He says such large sums r taken to spread the feeling of Love. He says he does it through the feeling of Love alone...
In his book he claims there is a magic touch...
He also said in his BBC series that it does not work with everyone...
But I know it works with over 90% of people, at least when it comes to Analgesia...

**brianp** · 17th July 2010, 03:58 PM