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    The Ritalin Timebomb has gone off!

    Well, it's finally happening.

    Kids all over the country are reaching adulthood, and running riot.

    There has been a great deal of uproar over the disrespect and anti-social behaviour, that is prevalent in U. K. society. Surprise, surprise.

    It's little wonder kids are mad with most of them drugged up before they even reach puberty, with amphetamine based drugs like Ritalin.

    Amphetamines cause a huge increase in adrenaline, leading to aggressive and psychotic behaviour, What are the doctors thinking about!

    When I was at school such drugs were never heard of. These drugs are supposed to be prescribed for kids with behavoural problems, to make them more managable.

    It comes down to one simple thing: Lack of Discipline.

    Parents should give them a good slap and teach them right from wrong, then they will tow the line.

    Congratulations, to the British Medical Society for creating a generation of lunatics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spec View Post
    It's little wonder kids are mad with most of them drugged up before they even reach puberty

    Evidence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spec View Post
    When I was at school such drugs were never heard of.
    When were you in school?
    Better sorry than safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spec View Post

    It's little wonder kids are mad with most of them drugged up before they even reach puberty, with amphetamine based drugs like Ritalin.
    Most of them? Is it true that more than fifty percent of children are prescribed Ritalin, or similar medication? It seems highly improbable to me, but I stand open to correction.

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    Ah gee, there were only 46,000 prescriptions for Ritalin dolled out to children in Scotland last year, according to the BBC.

    When I was in school Ritalin was the street drug of choice when Metamphetamine was unavailable.

    Of course the pharmaceutical industry and the medical profession can do no wrong, according to you guys.

    Interesting choice of where to put your scepticism.

    How many prescriptions will you need before you recognize a problem?

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    Re: The Ritalin Timebomb has gone off!

    This is the information from NICE.

    http://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/inde...rticle&o=32110

    Perhaps a more balanced response.

    There is also this.

    http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100002286.html
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    Re: The Ritalin Timebomb has gone off!

    Also this.

    Methylphenidate is a medication prescribed for individuals (usually children) who have attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), which consists of a persistent pattern of abnormally high levels of activity, impulsivity, and/or inattention that is more frequently displayed and more severe than is typically observed in individuals with comparable levels of development. The pattern of behavior usually arises between the ages of 3 and 5, and is diagnosed during the elementary school years due to the child’s excessive locomotor activity, poor attention, and/or impulsive behavior. Most symptoms improve during adolescence or adulthood, but the disorder can persist or present in adults. It has been estimated that 3–7 percent of school-age children have ADHD. Methylphenidate also is occasionally prescribed for treating narcolepsy.

    Health Effects

    Methylphenidate is a central nervous system (CNS) stimulant. It has effects similar to, but more potent than, caffeine and less potent than amphetamines. It has a notably calming and “focusing” effect on those with ADHD, particularly children.

    Recent research at Brookhaven National Laboratory may begin to explain how methylphenidate helps people with ADHD. The researchers used positron emission tomography (PET—a noninvasive brain scan) to confirm that administering normal therapeutic doses of methylphenidate to healthy, adult men increased their dopamine levels. The researchers speculate that methylphenidate amplifies the release of dopamine, a neurotransmitter, thereby improving attention and focus in individuals who have dopamine signals that are weak.1

    Methylphenidate can be a valuable medicine, for adults as well as children with ADHD.2,3,4 Treatment of ADHD with stimulants such as Ritalin and psychotherapy help to improve the abnormal behaviors of ADHD, as well as the self-esteem, cognition, and social and family function of the patient.2 Research shows that individuals with ADHD do not become addicted to stimulant medications when taken in the form and dosage prescribed by doctors. In fact, it has been reported that stimulant therapy in childhood is associated with a reduction in the risk for subsequent drug and alcohol abuse disorders.5,6 Also, studies have found that individuals with ADHD who have been treated with stimulants such as methylphenidate are significantly less likely than those who do not receive treatment to abuse drugs and alcohol when they are older.7

    Because of its stimulant properties, however, in recent years there have been reports of methylphenidate abuse by people for whom it is not prescribed. It is abused for its stimulant effects: appetite suppression, wakefulness, increased focus/attentiveness, and euphoria. Addiction to methylphenidate seems to occur when it induces rapid increases of dopamine in the brain. In contrast, the therapeutic effect is achieved by slow and steady increases of dopamine, which are similar to the natural production by the brain. The doses prescribed by physicians start low and increase slowly until a therapeutic effect is reached. That way, the risk of addiction is very small.8

    When abused, the tablets are either taken orally or crushed and snorted. Some abusers dissolve the tablets in water and inject the mixture; complications can arise from this because insoluble fillers in the tablets can block small blood vessels.

    Trends in Ritalin Use

    Monitoring the Future (MTF) Survey *
    Each year, MTF assesses the extent of drug use among adolescents and young adults nationwide. MTF 2005 data on annual** use indicate that 2.4 percent of 8th-graders used Ritalin, as did 3.4 percent of 10th-graders and 4.4 percent of 12th-graders.

    National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH)***
    According to the 2004 NSDUH, there was a decline in lifetime use among those aged 12 to 17, from 2.2 percent in 2003 to 1.8 percent in 2004.

    Other Studies

    ADHD has been more frequently reported in boys than in girls; however, research published in 2002 noted that the frequency among girls had greatly increased.9

    A large survey at a public university showed that 3 percent of the students had used methylphenidate during the past year.10
    Other Information Sources

    Because stimulant medicines such as methylphenidate do have potential for abuse, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) has placed stringent, Schedule II controls on their manufacture, distribution, and prescription. For example, DEA requires special licenses for these activities, and prescription refills are not allowed. The DEA Web site is www.usdoj.gov/dea/. States may impose further regulations, such as limiting the number of dosage units per prescription.

    Treatment

    For more information on treating ADHD, visit the Web site for the National Institute of Mental Health, National Institutes of Health, at www.nimh.nih.gov.



    * * These data are from the 2005 Monitoring the Future survey, funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, National Institutes of Health, DHHS, and conducted annually by the University of Michigan’s Institute for Social Research. The survey has tracked 12th-graders’ illicit drug use and related attitudes since 1975; in 1991, 8th- and 10th-graders were added to the study. The latest data are online at www.drugabuse.gov.

    * "Lifetime" refers to use at least once during a respondent's lifetime. "Annual" refers to use at least once during the year preceding an individual's response to the survey. "30-day" refers to use at least once during the 30 days preceding an individual's response to the survey.

    *** NSDUH (formerly known as the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse) is an annual survey of Americans age 12 and older conducted by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. Copies of the latest survey are available at www.samhsa.gov and from the National Clearinghouse for Alcohol and Drug Information at 800-729-6686.



    1 Volkow, N.D., Fowler, J.S., Wang, G., Ding, Y., and Gatley, S.J. (2002). Mechanism of action of methylphenidate: insights from PET imaging studies. J. Atten. Disord., 6 Suppl. 1, S31–S43.

    2 Konrad, K., Gunther, T., Hanisch, C., and Herpertz-Dahlmann, B. (2004). Differential Effects of Methylphenidate on Attentional Functions in Children With Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. J. Am. Acad. Child Adolesc. Psychiatry, 43, 191–198.

    3 Faraone, S.V., Spencer, T., Aleardi, M., Pagano, C., and Biederman, J. (2004). Meta-analysis of the efficacy of methylphenidate for treating adult attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. J. Clin. Psychopharmacology, 24, 24–29.

    4 Kutcher, S., Aman, M., Brooks, S.J., Buitelaar, J., van Daalen, E., Fegert, J., et al. (2004). International consensus statement on attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and disruptive behaviour disorders (DBDs): Clinical implications and treatment practice suggestions. Eur. Neuropsychopharmacol., 14, 11–28.

    5 Biederman, J. (2003). Pharmacotherapy for attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) decreases the risk for substance abuse: findings from a longitudinal follow-up of youths with and without ADHD. J. Clin. Psychiatry, 64 Suppl. 11, 3–8.

    6 Wilens, T.E., Faraone, S.V., Biederman, J., and Gunawardene, S. (2003). Does stimulant therapy of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder beget later substance abuse? A meta-analytic review of the literature. Pediatrics, 111, 179–185.

    7 Mannuzza, S., Klein, R.G., and Moulton, J.L., III (2003). Does stimulant treatment place children at risk for adult substance abuse? A controlled, prospective follow-up study. J. Child Adolesc. Psychopharmacol., 13, 273–282.

    8 Volkow, N.D. and Swanson, J.M. (2003). Variables that affect the clinical use and abuse of methylphenidate in the treatment of ADHD. Am. J. Psychiatry, 160, 1909–1918.

    9 Robison, L.M., Skaer, T.L., Sclar, D.A., and Galin, R.S. (2002). Is attention deficit hyperactivity disorder increasing among girls in the US? Trends in diagnosis and the prescribing of stimulants. CNS Drugs, 16, 129–137.

    10 Teter, C.J., McCabe, S.E., Boyd, C.J., and Guthrie, S.K. (2003). Illicit methylphenidate use in an undergraduate student sample: prevalence and risk factors. Pharmacotherapy, 23, 609–617.

    Revised 4/06
    Source. http://www.drugabuse.gov/Infofacts/ritalin.html

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    Re: The Ritalin Timebomb has gone off!

    Quote Originally Posted by mahakala View Post

    When I was in school Ritalin was the street drug of choice when Metamphetamine was unavailable.
    Slightly O/T, but I wonder why homeopathic 'medicines' are never abused as street drugs. Considering their huge efficacy and everything, you'd think the hoodies would be onto them like a shot...
    Last edited by SimonC; 22nd January 2008 at 12:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahakala View Post
    Of course the pharmaceutical industry and the medical profession can do no wrong, according to you guys.
    Wrong. You won't find anyone who believes that the pharmaceutical industry is whiter than white. People put their faith in the testing and regulation which is enforced on it, compared to the lack of testing and regulation enforced on alternative medicine industries.

    Isn't your position that you think the medical profession can do no right?
    Mousse from a bowl is very nice, but to put it on a person is demented!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahakala View Post
    When I was in school Ritalin was the street drug of choice when Metamphetamine was unavailable.

    Of course the pharmaceutical industry and the medical profession can do no wrong, according to you guys.

    Because, obviously, all you see around schools are guys in suits armed with briefcases overflowing with pharmaceutical samples...

    My speculation is that due to the increased awareness, diagnosis and reduced embarrassment of conditions like ADHD kids are getting the attention that's needed. Go back 20 years and they're the ones who were always in trouble and in the 'thickie' classes whose job prospects probably involved supermarkets and fast food restaurants.

    Also you should think (unlikely I know) before parroting scare numbers and look how they've said it "Last year, 46,000 individual prescriptions were recorded in Scotland.".
    I imagine many of those were a "Try little Johnny on these for a week and see if it makes a difference", even if that's not the case Ritalin is a long term medication, 46K divided by 12 for a monthly supply gives a little over 3800 cases - not as newsworthy eh?
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    Isn't your position that you think the medical profession can do no right?[/quote]

    No. That would be your binary thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongrel View Post
    Because, obviously, all you see around schools are guys in suits armed with briefcases overflowing with pharmaceutical samples...

    My speculation is that due to the increased awareness, diagnosis and reduced embarrassment of conditions like ADHD kids are getting the attention that's needed. Go back 20 years and they're the ones who were always in trouble and in the 'thickie' classes whose job prospects probably involved supermarkets and fast food restaurants.

    Also you should think (unlikely I know) before parroting scare numbers and look how they've said it "Last year, 46,000 individual prescriptions were recorded in Scotland.".
    I imagine many of those were a "Try little Johnny on these for a week and see if it makes a difference", even if that's not the case Ritalin is a long term medication, 46K divided by 12 for a monthly supply gives a little over 3800 cases - not as newsworthy eh?
    Keep words being I speculate and I imagine.

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    Whereas you know everything for certain, right? How very lucky for you.

    Well done on completely ignoring mongrel's demolishing of your figures

    What, in your opinion, has the medical profession done that's right?
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    It comes down to one simple thing: Lack of Discipline.
    Parents should give them a good slap and teach them right from wrong, then they will tow the line.



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    Give them a slap, they don't have the intelligence to understand right from wrong if you try to explain it to them.

    It comes down to this, the whole industry of childhood phychiatry is a nonsense, an american fad. It was created for parents who don't want the inconvience of looking after their kids.

    Instead of the parent being in control, they would rather just dope their kids up, and pass the buck when the kid gets in trouble.

    Perhaps the parents themselves are druggies, leading by example I guess.

    Any parent who allows their kid to be turned into a junkie is a disgrace.
    But, maybe thats their plan, to take the drugs themselves or sell them on. It wouldn't surprise me.

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