Osteopaths on the loose...

[Blue Wode]

Here is the website of The British Institute of Osteopathy - a ‘recognising’ body as opposed to a registering body.
http://www.british-institute-of-oste...g/Default.aspx


Cue alarm bells…

There are no 'diseases' or 'cures' only obstructions to natural processes More

Why randomised controlled trials (RCTs) don't work More

Vaccination, innoculation immunisation: the osteopathic perspective More

http://www.british-institute-of-oste...efault.aspx#14


SPRING 2008 EVENTS


'So you think diseases are caused by little germy-wermies?'


After the great success of our autumn first conference, exploring the first osteopathic principles of natural immunity and structural integrity, an evening seminar exposing the modern medical mythology of germ theory is required.


It is impossible to learn to both appreciate and practice traditional osteopathic methods if the colleges continue to teach the non-evidence based germ causative disease theories. These are routinely taught as factual base for pathology.


One very good example of this is the 1917 flu pandemic. The mortality rate at osteopathic hospitals in America using articulation to keep fluids moving and non-suppressive fever management to allow the cleaning crisis was ¼%!


By contrast the mortality rate at allopathic hospitals that used palliative methods of morphine based cough suppressants and aspirin to suppress the fever was in some cases 70%! Evidence enough of the disaster that palliation can lead to.


Dr Patrick Quanten MD, who has already written two articles for the website, will eloquently take apart this modern medical myth. With many examples to explain a far more evidence based understanding of the role that microorganisms play in health.


Howard Beardmore DO will follow this, with evidence from Still and Littlejohn and other osteopaths, showing that they did not focus on killing germs to both understand and treat so called 'infection'. Coupled with case history evidence, of the management of the cleaning crisis, the evening will attempt to dispel the fearful lack of knowledge that medical pathology seems to have instilled in our profession.


http://www.british-institute-of-oste...s/Default.aspx

It’s really quite worrying that these osteopaths seem to be able to get away with the above despite their profession being statutorily regulated. (Presumably the osteopaths who belong to this organisation are regulated by the General Osteopathic Council, but manage to evade accountability because their scope of practice isn’t defined or limited.)

Perhaps of even greater concern is that some chiropractors seem set to go a step further. A few weeks ago, I read on a chiropractic forum (which is now, unfortunately, accessible to invited members only) that several dozen chiropractors were thinking of rebelling against their regulatory status. Apparently they are going to cancel their registration with the General Chiropractic Council in the full knowledge that - to all intents and purposes - they will still be able to do what chiropractors do providing they don’t call themselves ‘chiropractors’.

So what all of this seems to boil down to is what is the point of regulation when it seems to be toothless in calling a halt to the assorted (dangerous) quackery espoused by not only its registered practitioners, but also by those who de-register and continue to practice under another title?


Interesting further reading…
http://thinking-is-dangerous.blogspo...rack-your.html

…especially this bit from Le Canard Noir in the Comments section:

'osteomyologist' - another made up word that covers all those who will not or cannot call themselves chiropractors or osteopaths. Calling yourself an 'osteomyologist' neatly sidesteps statutory regulation

[filippo lippi]

Shocking.

The parents are heavily into this woo. Unfortanately their osteopath of choice diagnosed a serious condition in my father's leg where the GP had repeatedly failed. Obviously, the osteopath could do nothing about the condition and it was left up to proper doctors and surgeons to sort out, but because the quack made the correct diagnosis he can do know wrong in the parents' eyes.

[Skeptiger]

Ok, I am going to show my ignorance here...I knew that chiropractors were firmly in the woo camp, but (and don't shoot me down here, please!) I hadn't realised osteopaths were in that camp as well? I possibly didn't do enough research when I was in rather excruciating pain with sciatica, but my GP recommended I see an osteopath for my back? I deliberately avoided a chiropractor, but went to an osteopath thinking that they were medically trained...

Can someone give me a bit of background? Was it a poor decision? The problem, as I know we all agree, is it is really tough to tell the difference nowadays between real medicine and CAM, as the latter is so mainstream.

[Neuromuscular Therapist]

Fillippo,

The fact that the osteopath diagnosed the problem with your father's leg where his GP couldn't, must count for something. He obviously did know what he was doing.

In the USA osteopaths are medically trained. There are two types of docs, MD'S and DO's. They are the same and go through med school learning the same things, except that DO's have the addition of other lectures that are directly related to osteopathy. They can prescribe and undertake the same training programs as MD's and you can get DO surgeons.

However, in Europe, UK and Canada osteopaths are not doctors, but do have quite extensive training. Most osteopathic courses are at least four years long, with some being five.

A lot of osteopaths are okay and are not quacks in the same way that chiros are. They actually do soft tissue work, which is more often that no needed during the course of treatment, whereas most chiros do not.

[filippo lippi]

The fact that the osteopath diagnosed the problem with your father's leg where his GP couldn't, must count for something. He obviously did know what he was doing.

So he's shooting 1 for what? They both have chronic injuries that the osteopath has been "treating" for years. And he's not American.

And then there's this

CONCLUSION

The traditional osteopathic perspective does not support the allopathic view that micro organisms are causative in disease but they are part of a vigorous, adaptive cleaning process that ultimately leads to a restoration of health.
Treatments designed to modify micro organisms, or kill them directly; infer no benefit to the body and may indeed start a pathway to degeneration by denying the body the opportunity to clean and repair itself. Evidence of the transmutation of ordinary body cells into specific micro organisms and viruses in the presence of waste laden tissue is a normal extension of the body's natural immunity. It is a self limiting process dependant on the completion of the task to remove waste that sees the transmutation back to ordinary body cells at it's conclusion.

from here

http://www.british-institute-of-oste...organisms.aspx

Is this indicative of what Osteopaths are taught? 'Cos four years of learning this (unless I've comletely misread the above) shit don't impress me.

[filippo lippi]

There's more

Now then!

Germs are made by your body in an effort to clear up a messy environment. Once this has been achieved they will automatically disappear again. Proven several times in the last 150 years alone, and still not accepted in our world.
Don't be cynical: it has nothing whatsoever to do with vaccines and germ killing substances, and the financial lucrative businesses of making and selling them; not to mention the high regard in which all these cleaver brains are held and the jobs they are holding on to.

These people want locking up before they hurt someone

[Mongrel]

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CONCLUSION

The traditional osteopathic perspective does not support the allopathic view

Highlighted word is also a big warning sign. Allopathy, as a word, was invented by Hahnemann to distance homeopathy from the normal medical practices of the day. Now it is generally used as a pejorative by Alt med proponents.

[filippo lippi]

According to the General Osteopathic Council glue ear, colic and sinus problems can be "treated effectively" and they can help "children suffering from cerebral palsy and Down's Syndrome."

Yeah, sure you can.


http://www.osteopathy.org.uk/about_o...s_Children.pdf

[filippo lippi]

Hold on. Back up a minute there.

Dental problems? They can treat dental problems?

Seems to be indistinguishable from the claims of woo.

[filippo lippi]

Perhaps the biggest red flag of them all...


http://www.osteopathy.org.uk/news/newsdetails.php?id=47

[Neuromuscular Therapist]

Osteopaths are fundamentally not the same as Chiros.

Perhaps you should check this out properly before being so disparaging in your remarks?!

A lot of the techniques that I use as a Physical Therapist for lengthening shortened myofascia come from osteopathy. I use these because they work very well in cases where muscles need lengthening. I never use thrusting techniques, but rather exercises to strengthen and increase range of motion.

[Mojo]

There's more

Now then!

Germs are made by your body in an effort to clear up a messy environment. Once this has been achieved they will automatically disappear again. Proven several times in the last 150 years alone, and still not accepted in our world.
Don't be cynical: it has nothing whatsoever to do with vaccines and germ killing substances, and the financial lucrative businesses of making and selling them; not to mention the high regard in which all these cleaver brains are held and the jobs they are holding on to.

These people want locking up before they hurt someone

I wanted an actual link before I believed that one. Regrettably, I found it. http://www.british-institute-of-oste...gin_germs.aspx

[Blue Wode]

I wanted an actual link before I believed that one. Regrettably, I found it. http://www.british-institute-of-oste...gin_germs.aspx

It gets worse. The author of that article, Patrick Quanten, also appears to be heavily into ear candling:

Patrick Quanten concentrated on explaining in simple terms some relevant facts of quantum physics and new biology. All matter is energy condensed and all cells "listen" to everything that is going on in their environment. The combination of these allow the energetic influence of ear candling to be felt throughout the whole body, both via a direct influence on the cells and via the overall information distributed through the nervous network. He also showed that in free burning open candles only white smoke appeared at the bottom of the candle. The matter found inside the candles after burning only occurs by compressing the smoke. He suggested a relationship between what was found inside the burned candle and the changes made in the auric field of the person being candled.

http://freespace.virgin.net/ahcare.qua/index5.html

[Skeptiger]

I am so confused now.

The osteopath I went to see appeared to do nothing but backs and sports injuries. I chose him because I was running a marathon two weeks later and really needed help. As osteopath for a London Premiership Football team (not that that means much in relation to his legitimacy, but still), I kind of thought that sports issues would be important for him.

There was nothing at all around his office or reception that suggested any of the stuff that's been discussed.

And, he was even disparaging of chiropractors for being too woo woo!

Is it possible that there are some osteopaths which don't subscribe to the rubbish you've pointed out? Or am I being really naive (wouldn't be the first time!)

[filippo lippi]

I wanted an actual link before I believed that one. Regrettably, I found it. http://www.british-institute-of-oste...gin_germs.aspx

Sorry, the red mist descends and then I wake up several hours later