Reply With QuoteThe programme left the distinct impression that, despite what he claims, and in my opinion believes, the babies are surplus to the whole process.
Well, I think he is self-deluded in the sense that he genuinely believes (quite wrongly) that he has psychic abilities.
I think we also saw some interesting confirmation bias and selective biases in him (on the Channel 5 programme) when he placed more emphasis on the EEG researches comments than on the findings from Randi and French. Any thoughts?
Self-Deluded? Or conscious fraud?
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The programme left the distinct impression that, despite what he claims, and in my opinion believes, the babies are surplus to the whole process.
Depends, if you view it as an 'act' they're his hook. Take the babies away and he's just another mentalistOriginally Posted by Mulder
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"Take the babies away"....yes, please, PLEASE take the babies away. Derek's act gives me the creeps.
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I'm in the fraud camp. I find it implausible someone can do so many stage shows as he does and not be knowingly aware of exactly what is happening. I think he possibly underestimated the shrewdness of skeptics however.
Mousse from a bowl is very nice, but to put it on a person is demented!
It's hard to say as these fame/money/publicity-seeking psychics may well have certain personality disorders and adjust reality to suit their world view (remember psychicsarah!).
I'm not convinced he's a genuine (but deluded) psychic claimant.
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I have to say in my dealings with him, when he gave a reading in front of me, he came across as part knowing fraud, part deluded.
I think he genuinely believes he has some sort of ability, but he relies so heavily on cold reading (it was as obvious in the reading he gave in front of me as it was during the Goldsmiths tests), that he has to know at least in aprt, that he's reading the parents.
He desperately needs people to believe in him and to validate him (hence why he went for the JREF challenge) in order for him to have a sense of self-worth. He wants to be special and this talent gives him that excuse to feel special, even if he does embellish his talents with a spot of cold reading here or there, it all goes to help the children, doesn't it? ???
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I've not watched his shows, apart from the excerpts on Charlie Brooker's Screenburn but have followed his exploits since joining this site and the Randi forums.
A sound recordist friend of mine who has worked with him reckons (when I asked him) that he's about half and half. He has to be deluded to have accepted the Randi challenge. But he clearly uses cold and some hot reading, but like vbloke says, he probably sees that as augmenting his talents, amping them up for the programme.
He said he was a deeply weird person. So weird he couldn't even explain quite why. And this friend is a connoisseur of weird.
I'm not sure he has to be deluded to take Randi's challenge. Where did he get the money from to get this free holiday? Did channel five happen to fund him? I can't remember anyone mentioning him paying for it out of his own pocket.
So we have possibly a free trip to Florida (I think it was Florida or someplace like that), on top of that we have a test to win a million dollars which has better odds than playing the lottery.
Free holiday (even if he paid for it himself it was a great bit of self promotion and a holiday out of it to boot) and a better than lottery odds punt at a million dollars. It doesn't take a psychic to see the possibilities there.
I Tried To Believe.
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i wonder if Ogilvie will come to realize and accept his delusion over the coming months....if so, maybe he would then become a famous skeptic having experienced things for both sides (not that this would be relevant - but might still be interesting to the media).
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Why is cheese?
Would be nice, but can't see it myself.
Think he enjoys the adulation of his fans too much.
http://www.derekogilviefanclub.com/nl/
(in English too http://www.fanclubderekogilvie.com/uk/)
I'm still in the camp that he knows exactly what he's doing. His back story makes me doubt whether it is delusion.
Mousse from a bowl is very nice, but to put it on a person is demented!
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