Detect the ADE 651 Detection Equipment

[Dubious Dick]

Seren,

1. You have largely answered your own question i.e. these addresses are already publicly available.

2. Why shouldn't we use their line of business as a reason? These people are truly despicable.

3. Given 1. there can be no question of the use of these addresses being actionable. In the public domain is in the public domain.

These people have been openly challenged to sue us. They have singularly failed to do so for blindingly obvious reasons, just as they have failed to take the MDC for the same reasons.

Suspect you might feel a bit different if one of your relatives was blown to bits because they had relied on one of these devices.

[Matt]

Apparently it's not residential - it's a Bureux de Change

http://www.allinlondon.co.uk/regions...brick-lane.php

[seren]

Matt: Which address?! There are tons on here! (Bureau de Change just makes me think of The Day Today, every time)

Well, I don't want to derail the thread so fair enough, Dick.
I will restrict myself to pointing out that they may not be the only people living (or working) at those addresses, and we are not the only people reading these forums.

[Dubious Dick]

Seren, I do see what you are saying about potentially involving totally un-connected businesses and people. In future I will try to avoid reproducing addresses on public fora that are not specific to the companies and individuals concerned.

[seren]

Hey, great stuff! Thanks.
I'm still sure on the legality of it but I will assume you know better than I.

Now go get the prat shut down!

[Dubious Dick]

Make that PRATS!

So far we have:

In the U.K.:

ATSC with the ADE651
Global Technical with the GT200
ComsTrac with the Alpha 6
ISCC with the PSD 22

In Germany:

Sniffex Europe with the Sniffex Plus

Anyone interested we have a new-ish recruit on JREF called Longtabber who is a whizz on debunking the technical claims in detail.

As to the legalities, we have not incited anyone to take any illegal actions and as I say, if it is already in the pd there really is nothing much of a legal issue.

[techowiz]

With reference to my post at Number59,

After a period of reflection I wish to apologise to Trinoc and anyone else who may have been offended by my unacceptable posting.
I can only say in my defence it came after a very bad personal day.
regards

[Trinoc]

With reference to my post at Number59,

After a period of reflection I wish to apologise to Trinoc and anyone else who may have been offended by my unacceptable posting.
I can only say in my defence it came after a very bad personal day.
regards

Accepted - assuming you can see my posts again!

[Dubious Dick]

Just wanted to let everyone interested in this saga know that we have generated some substantial political interest. I can't be specific because do not want to give the scuzzers who sell these things any tip offs, but do feel we are now making some real headway in in our campaign against these fraudsters.

To Jim of ATSC, Gary of Global Technical, Simon of ComsTrac, and the lovely people behind ISCC:

Have a happy day worrying!!

[Song]

Hello D. D～

I am looking for your help.

I work for Yang Cheng Evening News, a news paper in Guangzhou, China. I am investigating GT200 which is now widely used in China. I have been suspicious with it since last year before Olympics, when lots of cities adopted GT200 for security purpose.

I got a report from Sandia laboratory in US, but I don't think it's enough to support my point. You have more evidence at hand? please contact zengsong22@hotmail.com

[Dubious Dick]

Hi Song,

I will get a more detailed response together for you from the various people involved in our campaign.

I can assure you that there is no technical reason why the GT200 would work.

One suggestion for you is to try to arrange for a double blind test maybe carried out under the a reputable physics department at a University. There are existing protocols for testing claims of dowsing which would be appropriate for you to propose as the basis for such tests.

In the meantime please take a look at the following information:

DOWSING RODS ENDANGER LIVES

U.K. Companies selling life threatening fake explosives and narcotics detectors

In October 2008, James Randi of the JREF, issued a challenge to a company called ATSC, offering them US $1,000,000 if they could prove, under controlled conditions, that their ADE 651 equipment worked as advertised. http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/231-a-direct-specific-challenge-from-james-randi-and-the-jref.html


ATSC refused to take the challenge. They have given no good reason, despite the considerable sum of money, and the immense publicity/sales they would derive from winning the prize by taking a simple double blind test.


Randi had previously challenged the makers of Quadro Tracker and SNIFFEX in the U.S. to test their products, and they also refused. The main people behind those companies have been prosecuted and heavily fined in the U.S. Both claimed similar, apparently miraculous capabilities. But, like all these products, were no more than fancy dowsing rods, dressed up in fancy technobabble. Dowsing in whatever form has long failed to provide any evidence for efficacy in proper testing.


Since the challenge to the ADE 651, a small group has been investigating and challenging ATSC, and other companies who market similar products in the U.K.

This paper is a condensed version of the available evidence regarding the use of dowsing rods as explosives detectors.

Three companies in the UK have been identified selling these devices:
ATSC Ltd
Global Technical Limited
Coms Trac Ltd
For details see Appendix

HISTORY
It seems these devices first came onto the market in the early 1990's. Possibly the first was the Quadro Tracker QRS250G sold by the Quadro Corp of South Carolina, USA as a detector of just about anything. The Quadro Tracker was a hand held device with a telescoping antenna that would freely swivel, and supposedly point to the target material. It was exposed by James Randi more than a decade ago in 1995/1996, before the Department of Justice prosecuted the founders of the company.
http://skepdic.com/quadro.html
http://www.reason.com/news/show/30037.html
http://www.ih2000.net/ira/quad0422.htm

The next to emerge was the DKL Lifeguard. Allegedly designed to find people in a search and rescue operation or even as claimed in a manhunt.

The first UK version was the MOLE detection system, marketed by Gary Bolton of Global Technical Limited. This device was put up for testing at the Sandia National Laboratories in January 2002. It was tested by Dale Murray who was in charge of Entry Control and Contraband Detection Department at the Laboratory. For the full transcript of the test see here:
http://www.justnet.org/Lists/JUSTNET%20Resources/Attachments/440/moleeval_apr02.pdf

The MOLE was shown to operate no better than chance. The operator of the MOLE at this test was Robert Balais, working in partnership with Jim McCormick. As a result of the poor performance of the MOLE in this test, Gary Bolton stopped Jim McCormick and Robert Balais having anything more to do with sales of the MOLE.

McCormick and Balais then formed ATSC, originally registered in the USA. Soon after they launched the ADE 650 onto the market. ATSC are now a direct competitor to Global Technical and there is considerable bad feeling between the two companies.

In an effort to distance himself from the poor performance of the MOLE, Bolton made minor changes to the product and re-named it the, GT200. The Global Technical website claims to have, ‘government support’ for his equipment. At this time it is not known if this is for the GT200, or other products he sells. We believe that these claims of Government support, and the use of a REME base for unofficial demonstrations of these products, is fraudulent.


We have also discovered another UK device, the Alpha 6 sold and marketed by Comstrac.


This has been a very lucrative market for the companies involved, with prices between 10,000 Euros and 25,000 Euros per device, whilst costing as little as 250 Euros each to produce. With lucrative training courses added in, the potential for a quick and considerable profit is easy to see.
It is estimated that ADE 651 sales in Iraq top USD$2 Million. ADE have also apparently sold to a number of countries including Niger, China, Hong Kong, Mexico, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia


The main markets appear to be Far East, Middle East, Africa, Asia, South America and Eastern Europe. We believe that sales rely on corruption of local officials in the target markets.


We are not aware of a sale of any significance to any Western European, U.S. Canadian, Australian or New Zealand Government, Armed Forces or Security Services.

Devices and Claims for Operation


There have been various claims and so called technical explanations for these products by the different companies, despite all the products apparently working on the same old dowsing principle of a free swinging rod.

ADE 651

On the ATSC website they claim the working principle for their equipment is:

‘ATSC's proprietary application of electrostatic ion attraction, (also referred to as Electrostatic Attraction (ESA)'.


Specifically Jim McCormick has stated it does not work by smell.

This is contradicted by their authorised distributor in Lebanon, Prosec, (www.prosec.com), who state the working principle is:

'The working principal(sic) is based on electrochemical (Thermo-Redox) detection'.

It would appear that even those that sell and manufacture these frauds do not know what principle they are supposed to work under. In fact, despite extensive enquiries and study, we can find no supporting evidence for the technical claims of these products whatsoever.

As seen on the ATSC website, the equipment is always a free floating antenna, connected to a handle, which in turn is connected by a cable to what is called the card reader. Inside the card reader you place the ‘substance cards’. They claim these can be programmed for explosives, drugs, ivory and even truffles!!!! This equipment needs no external power such as batteries or mains electricity. It claims it's power from the static electricity produced by the human body. Ranges for detection are given as 600 metres to 5 KM!

GT200
On the Global Technical website they make no claim for the working principle behind their device. However check the photographs and once again we see the old free swinging antenna, needing no power, and yes you have guessed it, running on the static electricity created by the human body. No detection range given.


Alpha6
Comstrac claim on their website that the working principle for their equipment is:
‘Molecular resonance using molecular recognition of programmed contabrands (sic)’
It may be no surprise to see that once again the free swinging antenna is in use and powered by static electricity. Ranges for this device are given as, NO LESS than 200-300metres and can be programmed with the usual full list of explosives and drugs.

Conclusion

The working principles claimed for these devices are not credible.


The really worrying element about all of this is that these devices are sold to Military Units and Police Forces, usually in third world countries where purchase control is very weak. The devices are sold as explosives and drug detectors when the reality is that they are not capable of detecting anything. Somebody is going to be seriously hurt or killed using or relying on these devices to detect explosives, if they haven’t already.


The fact that they are being marketed and distributed by U.K. Companies is disturbing.

For a comprehensive start to finish tale of these devices please check out the excellent blog at:
http://sniffexquestions.blogspot.com/
Other blogs highlighting the danger of these devices are at:
http://explosivedetectorfrauds.blogspot.com/
http://ade651gt200scamfraud.blogspot.com/


COMPANY DETAILS:


Selling – ADE651
ATSC (UK)
DAIRY HOUSE YARD
SPARKFORD
YEOVIL
SOMERSET
BA22 7LH
Tel. +44 208 144 9925
www.atscltd.com
Director
James William McCormick
Home address
Park Farm,
Curry Rivel,
Somerset
TA10 0AE

Selling – GT200
Global Technical Limited
Unit 7,
The Glenmore Centre,
Moat Way,
Sevington,
Ashford
Kent
TN24 0TL
Tel: 01233 501721
Fax: 08701 694017
Mob: 07766 527769
www.globaltechnical.co.uk
Director
Gary Bolton
Home Address
COPPERFIELDS
DAVID STREET
MEOPHAM
GRAVESEND
KENT
DA130BT


Selling – Alpha6
Comstrac Ltd
5, LYTTELTON ROAD
EAST FINCHLEY
LONDON
N2 0DW
Tel: 02082018898
Fax: 0845 280 2659
www.comstrac.com
Director
Simon Sherrard
Home address
8, Hill Rise,
London
NW11 6NA

[techowiz]

I got a report from Sandia laboratory in US, but I don't think it's enough to support my point.

What further evidence were you looking for? The Sandia report is quite comprehensive.......

[mufc]

Hello,

Would someone please contact me. I may be able to provide further information concerning these companies - but I need to know that this is a proper investigation and not just people with too much time on their hands.

Sorry for the strong words, but I really would like to know how serious this matter is and know that I trust people to keep some of the details I have private.

Thank you

[Dubious Dick]

Hi mufc. This is a serious effort to expose the companies involved and to have action taken.

I think it goes the other way around in that we would need reassurance that you are not working for one of the companies and looking to disrupt our campaign.

You are welcome to PM Techowiz or myself and let us know a bit more about yourself and what you might have to offer. We have serious, senior level political interest, and media interest in this and if you can assist in the efforts we are making then we would be very interested.

[techowiz]

As DD has stated, we are a active group dedicated to bringing these scammers down. For more information check out our bloggs or a similar posting on the JREF forum.
Too much time on our hands, not enough hours in the day for me.
PM DD or myself with whatever information you have and you can be assured of our discretion.
We will, of course, need to be certain of your credentials before we share any confidential information. Having said that we appreciate all forms of support and welcome to the forum.
regards