Detect the ADE 651 Detection Equipment

[tolman]

Ultimately, I guess the real success would be having the some of the crooks in the countries who bought the bogus devices ending up falling out of favour and getting lined up against a wall somewhere, though I guess that does require that the corruption doesn't go all the way to the top, or at least, that it's deniable by people at the top.

However, if one or two crooks do get locked up here, maybe that would at least put other people off from starting up here.
Even if we can't stop fraudsters setting up shop elsewhere, it is at least worth doing our best to stop them doing it from here.

[techowiz]

Hi Tolman,

As for stopping the fraudsters setting up shop elsewhere, after his arrest in January McCormick started to use his friends in Romania in an attempt to get round the export ban imposed on his scam by the UK Government, I sent a briefing paper to all the papers in Romania I could find hoping that with the worldwide interest in the story at the time one would pick it up, and they did no doubt causing quite considerable embarrassment to all concerned even showing a helpful photograph, check out the link:

http://www.adevarul.ro/actualitate/e...195580904.html

Google translate do a reasonable job and give you a good idea of what is being said.

http://translate.google.com/#ro|en|

Enjoy, now what happened to Ernst?
regards

[ernst.filibert]

This is a very old article and I don’t think is relevant. On ADE 651 manufacturer’s website I saw that a lot of governmental agencies had made ADE tests, you can find them in “Media relations”.
Maybe it works … who knows … maybe the one who have touched one can tell us more.

[Croydon Bob]

Maybe it works … who knows …

It doesn't work. Lots of people know. The evidence is clear.

You are are a persistant little liar aren't you? Popping back up with your "I don’t support anything" bullshit.

[techowiz]

This is a very old article and I don’t think is relevant.

Well you wouldn't would you?
Especially, as it names your company in cahoots with the fraudster McCormick.

On ADE 651 manufacturer’s website I saw that a lot of governmental agencies had made ADE tests, you can find them in “Media relations”.

Name 1 credible government agency that has conducted a test on the ridiculous ADE that says 'it works'? I notice that ATSC cannot name them either!
There is also a 'testimonial' on that website that states, "I am one of many customers, of whom most I have spoken to who have been amazed and astounded at the accuracy and effectiveness of the ADE 651 when its being used by well trained staff. ...
That quote is completely made up, total fiction, a figment of McCormick's imagination just like his government 'tests'. So what weight can be added to the suggestion that a lot of governmental agencies have conducted tests if he has to invent testimonials? Why can he not find just 1 real person to say something positive about the ADE?

Maybe it works … who knows … maybe the one who have touched one can tell us more.

Well if it did work McCormick would not have dodged the Million Dollar Challenge from Randi, he also dodged meeting Professor Bruce Hood when he found out that I had advised the good Professor on the questions and criteria for any testing, see the article at the link:

http://brucemhood.wordpress.com/2010...ector-exposed/

The problem you people have Ernst is that you cannot find 1, yes just 1 credible source to say it works, this is an alleged bomb detector we are talking about that has already been directly responsible for the loss of over 300 innocent Iraqi lives in the past 12 months alone. So when you glibbly state that, 'maybe it works', then why did it fail to detect over half a ton of explosive driven right past it, if maybe it works?
What respectable company would not want the most stringent of tests by CREDIBLE agencies in support of their claims? McCormick knows full well that any simple double blind testing would expose his fraud that is why he goes nowhere near them, if you don't believe me, next time he is in your company office ask him why he wont subject the ADE to a double blind test. Companies that sell scams don't like the spotlight, that is why your paymaster ran off after exposure by the BBC in January.

Instead of repeating lies from the ATSC website you need something called EVIDENCE, it is for your company and McCormick to prove the things you allege the scam is capable off, I have said to you before, it takes a lot more to convince people who are not being bribed than 'because we say it can'.
If it worked the UK and the US military would be using it, they aren't ask yourself why.
It is sold to countries where corruption is rife and common practice ask yourself why.
When you have the answers to these and the other question please post back.

[tolman]

When I see McCormick or other people passing a proper 'live' test (ie surviving with all body parts attached and functional) which has been set by people I'd trust, I might change my opinion, but it seems even less likely that he'd try doing that than that he'd pass if he did.

[lyndonius]

This is a very old article and I don’t think is relevant. On ADE 651 manufacturer’s website I saw that a lot of governmental agencies had made ADE tests, you can find them in “Media relations”.
Maybe it works … who knows … maybe the one who have touched one can tell us more.

This is getting tiresome – Is there any change the admin can check the IP address of these posts. Remember 'Flanders'

[ernst.filibert]

If it worked the UK and the US military would be using it, they aren't ask yourself why.

UK and US aren’t using it because they are taking their sponsorship from other companies.

It is sold to countries where corruption is rife and common practice ask yourself why.

Maybe they are in corrupted countries but I am sure even corrupted people can’t risk citizen’s lives. They can do money in all other domains without risking lives and having mass media scandals.

[Croydon Bob]

but I am sure even corrupted people can’t risk citizen’s lives.

Is there anything that you're not 100% wrong about?

[tolman]

UK and US aren’t using it because they are taking their sponsorship from other companies.

So even though a box containing nothing at all in the way of active components can work miracles, the US and UK forces are ignoring it?

Not only that, but the US Department of Justice brands the various devices 'bogus', and company bosses are pursued in the UK for fraud?

Seems to me that the guy should clear his good name once and for all.

And obviously, by far the best way to do that is with a properly-administered live test, where he repeatedly puts his life on the line, the same way that he expects his ultimate end users to.

If he actually had the balls to do that, I'm sure he could get media coverage.
but of course, we all know that he won't, unless he's actually deluded himself into thinking his bogus box of nothing actually works (or wants to pretend that he's deluded himself into thinking it works).

[techowiz]

UK and US aren’t using it because they are taking their sponsorship from other companies.

Name these other companies, No, didn't think you could. OK, then name the government agencies that have tested the ADE and said it works as per your paymasters website.

Maybe they are in corrupted countries but I am sure even corrupted people can’t risk citizen’s lives.

Well over 300 innocent Iraqis have died as a direct result of this scam and that is only in the last 12 months. So that makes a complete nonsense of your statement.

They can do money in all other domains without risking lives and having mass media scandals.

So as someone who works for the Romanian company that markets and sells this scam, where is your evidence that it works?

Any respectable businessman that had his product called a fraud, a fake a complete scam by a multi millionaire would sue, McCormick has not, why?

Any respectable businessman that had his product declared a fake by his own government and banned from exporting it, would most certainly sue and make millions, McCormick has not why?

Any respectable businessman that had his product declared a fake by the BBC would sue, McCormick has not why?

I'll give you a clue to the answer, because he would have to prove to people he cannot bribe that it works, now let's have your answer/s.

Also, you appear to be getting your various avatars mixed up on the Randi Youtube site, the one where he talks about the arrest of McCormick for fraud,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruTmqfGJhTI

do you think for the purpose of clarity you can stick to just one avatar and stop pretending there are multiple supporters of the scam device ade651?

[Dubious Dick]

UK and US aren’t using it because they are taking their sponsorship from other companies.

Maybe they are in corrupted countries but I am sure even corrupted people can’t risk citizen’s lives. They can do money in all other domains without risking lives and having mass media scandals.

Perhaps your name should be filibuster not filibert? Maybe you don't know what that means. Look it up.

Well, we're not falling for it. Why not, as a supporter of these devices, simply agree that a proper test under proper protocols would clear this up once and for all. Tell your buddies who are involved in this, that this is the only way you have a cat in hells chance of defending what is utterly indefensible.

Techo, Bob and Tolman have really said all that needs saying, but cannot resist chipping in.

Please take this on board, and don't come back unless you have news that proper testing will be undertaken (we have had promises from Jim that he will do this before. Funny, no action so far despite all the allegations. Wouldn't you want to clear your name in such an easy and simple way? David Vollmar at Unival in Germany who simply pinched the discredited Sniffex from the U.S, and has tried to resurrect it, even changing the name to HEDD 1, has also promised proper testing for well over a year now. Funny. No news on that either!)

Don't you see a pattern emerging?

Gary Bolton at Global Technical, who do the equally crap GT200, has apparently disappeared following the furore. He has never responded at all to demands for proper testing.

I think you know already that Gary and Jim used to work together on the MOLE. When Jim and their U.S. agent/partner, Robert Balais, messed up by allowing proper tests on the MOLE (see Sandia Labs) and it failed as it was bound to, they split up. Off went Gary to develop and sell the GT200 (exactly the same basic design as the MOLE and all the other swinging antenna devices) to corrupt countries (see Thailand), and Jim to the ADE 651 (spot the difference), and his dodgy dealings with Iraq etc.

You have absolutely nothing useful to add to this issue unless you manage to do what no one else has so far, and deliver independent, credible testing of any or all of these scam devices. I will bet you a million quid that if that happens we will be completely vindicated in our knowledge that these things cannot and do not work. We don't actually need that proof because we know that there is no satisfactory mechanism to explain why they should work, and every credible test ever done has proved they don't, but sadly it seems some people out there do still need to be convinced, despite the weight of evidence available, and we would sure love to see corrupt buyers prevented from putting peoples lives at risk in future.

(By the way, I think it is hilarious that you think corrupt officials give a damn about anyones lives except their own. If they did they would not be corrupt! Honestly, are you really that gullible. No. I don't think so, but if you are watch out. There's a conman born every day to fleece the gullible who sadly are also born every day.)

So, do you get the message? Go away and only come back if you have something useful to add. Geddit. Gotit. Good!

[ernst.filibert]

It is not possible to have a normal dialog with you people. Anyone who has a different opinion is discredited or personally attacked without valid counterarguments, only quasi arguments invented to justify your jihad against the person and the product.
You said that a respectable business man should sue you for your injury but who are you? Just a bunch of cowards hidden behind your nicknames.
I am out of here and leave you to bathe in your own misery.

[Croydon Bob]

I am out of here

My psychic powers tell me that you'll be back and lying again.

Goodbye, for now.

[tolman]

It is not possible to have a normal dialog with you people. Anyone who has a different opinion is discredited or personally attacked without valid counterarguments, only quasi arguments invented to justify your jihad against the person and the product.

Translation:

"I, Ernst Filbert, don't think that anyone selling magical products (which are supposed to operate by means not consistent with any known science, and which have no obvious working parts) which are claimed to protect other people's lives should be required to show those products actually work, except maybe in tests run in uncontrolled conditions, or by people on the seller's payroll."

"Furthermore, even if the official US and UK military/goverment view is that the devices don't work, and the seller is currently facing criminal charges for fraud, I won't see anything suspicious in that, and will try to pass it off as sour grapes."

"Indeed, merely suggesting that a proper demonstration would actually help to clear the name of the guy selling his magical protective boxes (if he actually is being honest) is clear evidence of the bad faith of skeptics, who I think should simply believe whatever someone with a vested interest tells them."

"I'm sure people should trust me, since I speak with the authority of an internet persona which doesn't seem to do anything apart from try and pretend that magic devices probably work."

"However, having realised that I'm doing nothing but look like a dick, I'm going to flounce off, possibly to return later under the same or a different name and try again to pretend that magic works if someone says it does."