Is Creationism useful

[lost thought]

Creationism, Inteligent Design and Designr "Science". It has been quite a force in the education of many children in the bible belt (USA) for about 25 years now so what I'm asking is these children are now in the "mainstream", University and workplace.
What problems have they had to face finding that because of their religion's leaders messing about with their education they have had a limited exposure to proper "Science and method". Are they having to play catch up or droping out becoming unemployable in science orientated manufacture. i.e drug development, biochemistry.
Have I hate to use the word Science with Creationism etc made any inventions that have controbuted mankinds knowledge.
I have scoured the net and library but have found only negative impacts.

Lost Thought.

[Mongrel]

What problems have they had to face finding that because of their religion's leaders messing about with their education they have had a limited exposure to proper "Science and method". Are they having to play catch up or droping out becoming unemployable in science orientated manufacture. i.e drug development, biochemistry.

Some American universities got taken to court as they didn't deem the bible colleges science courses as up to scratch (bible colleges lost). IIRC one person didn't get a place\tenure on a job after publicly stating their belief in ID, of course it was a genome research. Then there's the fake "I declared my belief in ID and I was persecuted!" cries, there's been a few of them. A rummage around The Panda's Thumb will find these examples and more

Have I hate to use the word Science with Creationism etc made any inventions that have controbuted mankinds knowledge.
I have scoured the net and library but have found only negative impacts.

They have a handful of 'research papers' but had to resort to printing their own magazine to get them peer reviewed. All they seem to do is nibble at a good research paper, cherry pick a few phrases that they can misinterpret then shout "See, it supports ID!1!", once again a quick perusal of Panda's Thumb will provide more than enough proof.

In the interests of fairness this is one of the IDers major resources, enjoy

[Tony Williams]

The danger of teaching creationism is of course that someone who believes in it might reach a position of influence. Like US President, say...

[lost thought]

Some American universities got taken to court as they didn't deem the bible colleges science courses as up to scratch (bible colleges lost). IIRC one person didn't get a place\tenure on a job after publicly stating their belief in ID, of course it was a genome research. Then there's the fake "I declared my belief in ID and I was persecuted!" cries, there's been a few of them. A rummage around The Panda's Thumb will find these examples and more

In the interests of fairness this is one of the IDers major resources, enjoy

Thanks I will have a read of those.. also Charles Darwin's books and papers are now online to read for free.
The Complete Works of Charles Darwin online.
http://darwin-online.org.uk/

I had another idea then I will have lie down.. Would the children that got the creationist education be able to take to court the education board for failing to supply a good education.. will need some more thought..

Lost Thought

[Mongrel]

I had another idea then I will have lie down.. Would the children that got the creationist education be able to take to court the education board for failing to supply a good education.. will need some more thought..

Lost Thought
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Not a lawyer but no.

They picked the college that they wanted to go to and paid the money (or their parents dis). They knew the "bible" college taught science heavily biased towards their way of thinking and it still had accreditation. They chose the college to reinforce their xian belief.

[Trinoc]

They picked the college that they wanted to go to and paid the money (or their parents dis). They knew the "bible" college taught science heavily biased towards their way of thinking and it still had accreditation. They chose the college to reinforce their xian belief.

I'm not so sure about that. I assume that, as in the UK, the government lays down minimum standards for teaching science (and other) subjects, otherwise a lot of religious parents would probably send their kids to schools that don't teach science at all. The American fashion of "home schooling" for religious indoctrination of kids goes a long way to achieving this goal but I think even they have to teach to certain minimum standards.

[ZERO]

Would the children that got the creationist education be able to take to court the education board for failing to supply a good education..

The parents can, and did...and won!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmil...chool_District

There is a two part documentary on this court case and is well worth watching if you have the chance, it's great to see American parents fighting to keep non-science rubbish out of the curriculum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgmen...esign_on_Trial

[lost thought]

Thankyou Zero I enjoyed reading about the trial but .....

Creationism has begat Inteligent design which has begat desingr, so each time they have been beaten they just change the name and start all over again..
Same old crass crap what next start refering to evolution Theary as darwinism as I saw on youtube. "Why do people laugh at creationism". its over 26 vids but worth it for the cretinism theory...

Lost Thought..

[Mongrel]

Thankyou Zero I enjoyed reading about the trial but .....

Creationism has begat Inteligent design which has begat desingr, so each time they have been beaten they just change the name and start all over again..
Same old crass crap what next start refering to evolution Theary as darwinism as I saw on youtube. "Why do people laugh at creationism". its over 26 vids but worth it for the cretinism theory...

Lost Thought..

Pandas Thumb again

“cdesign proponentsists”, the evolution of creationism

[Trinoc]

I thought "intelligent designr" was just a spoof. Does "designr" have a meaning in the real world of cretinism?

[Mongrel]

I thought "intelligent designr" was just a spoof. Does "designr" have a meaning in the real world of cretinism?

Well most of them don't seem to have heard of spell checkers, does that count?

[Matt]

Actually this might be interesting. First the bible, then creation science, then intelligent design - Fuck me if it isn't evolving!

[Mongrel]

Actually this might be interesting. First the bible, then creation science, then intelligent design - Fuck me if it isn't evolving!

Latest is "Discussing the weaknesses of Evolution"

[Matt]

Latest is "Discussing the weaknesses of Evolution"

Oh yes mustn't forget "Strengths and Weaknesses"