Hello,
I'm new to this site. I live in France and have an 8 month old baby who presently has bronchitis. Our general practitioner has recommended going to see a "kinesitherapeute" who apparently massages the lungs to clear them out. I'm a bit wary because I know how bona fide medicine in France is mixed up with pseudoscience like homeopathy. I can't find anything on the web about this practice. Does it have any scientific credentials?
Any info appreciated!
Apparently that work simply tranlates as physiotherapst. http://dictionary.reverso.net/french...h%c3%a9rapeuteOriginally Posted by tmplikeachilles
Having said that Google translate doesn't agree.
I was concerned that we might be delving into the realms of Applied Kinesiology though kinesiologist seems to translate to kinésiologue.
AP is definitiely bullshit. Physiotherapy may not be though depends what claims are being made about it. I'm not able to say whether or not it's an effective treatment for Bronchitis.
Massage isn't mentioned on the NHS treatment page for Bronchitis
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Bronchi...hat-is-it.aspx
Consider contacting a UK based GP to see whether massage is something they would suggest.
How would someone based in France contact a UK GP and expect a response? It's hard enough for UK residents to contact the GPs that they are registered with!
Be skeptical of the things you believe are false, but be very skeptical of the things you believe are true.
if it is a kinesiologist, i have seen one a few times and she has done wonders for me and my daughter, i dont know how well it would work with bronchitis, but i guess it doesnt hurt to try.
It's amazing what a bit of care and attention can acheive. That's not to say that applied kinesiology is anything other than a placebo, it has no plausible mechanism nad no clinical data to back it.
Other than that I'm glad you've received some benefit during your experience.
you can check out this article too
familiesonline.co.uk/article/articleview/4271/1/11
see you guys
I have seen physios do "vibs" (vibrations) on adult patients. They place their hands on a patients lower ribs and shake the patient. They are then more able to clear secretions. Perhaps I have missed the point though.
here all the responses of your answer .
I m French Physiotherapist specialised in chest physiotherapy and working in London .
Kinésithérapeute mean physiotherapist in French ( different word same profession)
What your Gp recommended you is a chest physiotherapy , extremely common in France , and just new in Uk .
It s a very efficient technique based on the acceleration of the expiratory flux of the baby. The acceleration of the air in the lungs push the mucus up and then we us cough reflex to take the mucus out . like this the baby can breath better after about ten minute of massage .
The massage is not painfull, not invasive, and the baby wont have any side effect as it s just a massage.
And It s not a pseudoscience, It s been used in French , American , Suisse .... hospital for ages now. It s not known in UK for a reason that i dont even understand. Because this technique has no bad effect , release the breathing pain of the baby, and reduce lengh of the disease by nearly half and avoid baby to end up in hospital for respiratory distress or lung infection .
This technique is mainly use for bronchiolitis and brochitis but for any other disease bringing mucus in the lungs.
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Thanks for stopping by and clearing that up. At least now we know that AK was a red herring. Giving us the search term "chest physiotherapy" is also helpful in finding the evidence base for this intervention.here all the responses of your answer .
I m French Physiotherapist specialised in chest physiotherapy and working in London .
Kinésithérapeute mean physiotherapist in French ( different word same profession
What your Gp recommended you is a chest physiotherapy , extremely common in France , and just new in Uk .
It s a very efficient technique based on the acceleration of the expiratory flux of the baby. The acceleration of the air in the lungs push the mucus up and then we us cough reflex to take the mucus out . like this the baby can breath better after about ten minute of massage .
The massage is not painfull, not invasive, and the baby wont have any side effect as it s just a massage.
And It s not a pseudoscience, It s been used in French , American , Suisse .... hospital for ages now. It s not known in UK for a reason that i dont even understand. Because this technique has no bad effect , release the breathing pain of the baby, and reduce lengh of the disease by nearly half and avoid baby to end up in hospital for respiratory distress or lung infection .
This technique is mainly use for bronchiolitis and brochitis but for any other disease bringing mucus in the lungs.
So far my research has not found a strong evidence base for this intervention. Most positive outcomes seem to be associated primarily with postural drainage rather than percussion or vibration.
In addition there is a slight (1 in 1000) risk of rib fracture here and here though one might easily defend the practice by saying that the risk is of getting an incompetant practitioner than with the procedure being correctly applied.
I'd be interested to see a reference for halving hospital stays for acute bronchitis. Certianly the cochrane review didn't find that for the related condition of acute bronchiolitis. However for more severe cases certain proxies were improved in this study
I'm not saying it's pseudoscience. I'm open minded, I'm not leaping to any conclusions based upon a thin evidence base. Even if it doesn't improve recovery times it may still reduce symptoms which can only be a good thing.
Last edited by Matt; 11th February 2009 at 02:59 PM.
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