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    Quote Originally Posted by seren View Post
    Please explain about fire more!
    More than what? Where would you like us to begin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by niggle View Post
    Yup. Gold star for Matt.

    Ever seen a pic of it? It's fascinating!
    Yeah did a bit of Space Science as part of my Degree. Comes in handy for witty retorts when someone say "It's not rocket science"

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    Start at the very beginning (it's a very good place to start).
    Explain, in more than one sentence, what is fire and why does it behave the way it does. Please.

    And also -jet lag. It's supposed to be worse going one particular way- firstly, is that true, and if so, which way's bad and which way's good- going with the earth's rotation or against it? I find coming back from Asia a lot easier than going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seren View Post
    Start at the very beginning (it's a very good place to start).
    Explain, in more than one sentence, what is fire and why does it behave the way it does. Please.
    Fire is hot partially ionised gasses undergoing a self perpetuating rapid oxidation reaction.

    When you burn wood it isn't actually the solid wood that burns. The heat from the flame causes outgassing from the wood - it is those flammable gasses that burn. That is to say they undergo an exothermic oxidation reaction (exothermic = it releases heat energy) Typically the products of these reactions are carbon dioxide and water. These will tend to smother the reaction unless they are removed and replaced with fresh oxygen. This will tend to happen by convection. Turbulent convection current result in flickering flames. In a yellow flame not all the available carbon is oxidised. The yellow that you see is hot soot. If more oxygen is added to the mix then all the carbon is oxidised releasing more energy. As such you get a hotter blue flame.


    Quote Originally Posted by seren View Post
    And also -jet lag. It's supposed to be worse going one particular way- firstly, is that true, and if so, which way's bad and which way's good- going with the earth's rotation or against it? I find coming back from Asia a lot easier than going.
    For what it's worth, in my limited experience of transatlantic flights travelling west (with the sun) is much easier than back home (against the sun)

    I have heard that our circadian rhythms if left to their own devices wihtout external cues will average out to 25 hours a day. This might partially explain why it is easier to extend our day (as we do when travelling west) than compress our day. Certainly I heard of some productivity benefit to roating shift work where shift workers are asked to advance their shift by 8 hours every week rather than other schedules tested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    Yeah did a bit of Space Science as part of my Degree. Comes in handy for witty retorts when someone say "It's not rocket science"
    I watched those BBC progs analysing the credit crunch. They said some of the people who 'securitised mortgages' came from NASA! Now we can all see what rocket scientists can really do ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by seren View Post
    Start at the very beginning (it's a very good place to start).
    Explain, in more than one sentence, what is fire and why does it behave the way it does. Please.
    OK. You have something that can be oxidised (fuel) in the presence of oxygen. In most cases nothing happens at room temperature because there is a potential barrier to get over before the fuel and oxygen molecules can start to dissociate and so recombine as something like water and carbon dioxide. Heating gets over this barrier and the oxidation starts. If the oxidation releases enough energy to keep the temperature up above this ignition point, the fire continues without any further heat input, and generally results in a net heat output.

    Flames happen because the heating makes the air in the burning area less dense, so it rises and is replaced with cooler air from outside at the bottom. This keeps the fire supplied with fresh oxygen. This rising air carries some of the burning material with it. If it is something that gives out visible light when burning, the flames are visible, e.g. yellow flames from burning soot from wood, coal or hydrocarbons - unless there is so much oxygen that the carbon burns completely at the start and there is no soot to see.

    And also -jet lag. It's supposed to be worse going one particular way- firstly, is that true, and if so, which way's bad and which way's good- going with the earth's rotation or against it? I find coming back from Asia a lot easier than going.
    As far as I know, the human daily cycle is a lot better at adapting to a longer gap between days than a shorter one - though I suppose you could try skipping a whole day when going the other way. I think people deprived of day/night cues typically free-run on a cycle of about 25 hours.
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    Re: Daft sciencey type questions

    On a point derived from jet lag.

    If we went into space like Star Trek how could/would this effect our systems, sleeping patterns, menstral cycles etc.

    Would the problems be different moving instantaneously from one system to another (SG1).

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    I had a stargate once...green it was.

    I think fire is plasma, but then the descriptions given don't sound very plasma-y, so what is plasma and is fire plasma?

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    I think fire is plasma, but then the descriptions given don't sound very plasma-y, so what is plasma and is fire plasma?
    Plasma is a bunch of separate nuclei and electrons, where the temperature is too high for them to join together as atoms. Since fire is a chemical reaction, and chemical reactions require atoms or molecules, a plasma can't be a fire in the usual sense.

    You can have something called a "plasma flame" or "plasma torch" but these are not flames in the chemical sense, just streams of ionised gas which have been heated with something like an electric arc.
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    Not really.
    Unless your working with it mathematically infinity is more of a concept, not an actual number unintuitive, as that may be.

    Summed up nicely by Hilbert's Hotel paradox

    I have a friend who's PhD was on infinity - he tried to explain it to me once (something to do with snooker balls IIRC) but either beer or my small brain -perhaps both prevented any real grasp of what he was talking about. He went on to work in the insurance business which should worry us all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulder View Post
    I watched those BBC progs analysing the credit crunch. They said some of the people who 'securitised mortgages' came from NASA! Now we can all see what rocket scientists can really do ...
    And I thought it was David Bowie's fault!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the Mage View Post
    I have a friend who's PhD was on infinity - he tried to explain it to me once (something to do with snooker balls IIRC) but either beer or my small brain -perhaps both prevented any real grasp of what he was talking about. He went on to work in the insurance business which should worry us all!
    That was about the sum of my knowledge and the hotel analogy is about as far as I can get my head around. You should try the "Science of the Discworld" books, well written and a Pratchett story woven throughout. Infinity was covered in the third one IIRC
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    If we went into space like Star Trek how could/would this effect our systems, sleeping patterns, menstral cycles etc.
    That's an interesting question. I suppose we'd have to fake "days" and "nights" or something.

    What is the ingredient in bubblegum that makes it different (ie makes it make bubbles) to chewing gum?
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    As far as I'm aware it's not so much a different ingredient as a different variety of the same ingedient - originally a type of latex rubber called chicle but now a synthetic rubber with similar properties. (I had to look that up)

    Latex comes in many varieties with different physical properties.

    Physical properties like stiffness, hardness, brittleness, elasticity and plasticity can be determined by how the long hyrdocarbon chains loosely bond with one another.

    Brittleness is how much strain (deformation) a material can take before it fractures. Both chewing gun and bubble gum will engage in plastic flow. When subjected to a certain stress (force/cross section) they will deform by a huge amount and not snap back to their origninal shape. After a certain amount of plastic flow both will fracture but that amount is much greater in bubble gum than chewing gum.

    If I had to guess I'd say that the reason for this on a molecular level would be that bubble gum had longer hydorcarbon chains than chewing gum but that would just be a guess.

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