Tehran UFO incident, 1976.

[Bucephalus]

Intruiging UFO case from Tehran-does anyone know if theres ever been any rational,mundane explanations offered as to what these objects could be?

The US Government's DIS report makes for some interesting reading
(Defense Intelligence Agency, a military version of the CIA which deals with foreign military intelligence):


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An outstanding report. This case is a classic which meets all the criteria necessary for a valid study of the UFO phenomenon:

a) The object was seen by multiple witnesses from different locations (i.e., Shamiran, Mehrabad, and the dry lake bed) and viewpoints (both airborne and from the ground).

B ) The credibility of many of the witnesses was high (an Air Force general, qualified aircrews, and experienced tower operators).

c) Visual sightings were confirmed by radar.

d) Similar electromagnetic effects (EME) were reported by three separate aircraft.

e) There were physiological effects on some crew members (i.e., loss of night vision due to the brightness of the object).

f) An inordinate amount of maneuverability was displayed by the UFOs


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The 1976 Tehran UFO Incident was a radar and visual sighting of an
unidentified flying object (UFO) over Tehran, the capital of Iran, during the
early morning hours of September 19, 1976. The incident is particularly notable for the electromagnetic interference effects observed on aircraft in close proximity to the object: two F-4 Phantom II jet interceptors independently lost instrumentation and communications as they approached, only to have them restored upon withdrawal; one of the aircraft also suffered temporary weapons systems failure while preparing to fire upon the object.

The incident is well-documented in an U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) report with a distribution list that included the White House, Secretary of State, Joint Chiefs of Staff, National Security Agency (NSA), and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
Various high-ranking Iranian military officers directly involved with the events have also gone on public record stating their belief that the object was not terrestrial in origin.

EDIT Cannot post links yet as is first post.

[Mulder]

I believe you are quoting Wikipedia.

It is impossible to say with any certainty what this incident might represent. It is long ago and a proper investigation would be required, both interviewing all witnesses and testing the relevant equipment (hardly likely given that is mostly military) that showed abnormal function.

However, it is possible to comment on such cases in general.

Firstly, anomaly reports (including UFOs) are usually generated by a coincidence - several factors that rarely come together. So, for instance, some aspects of the incident, like unusual radar echoes, could be unrelated to the sighting itself. Also the various different objects reported may have been unrelated but given high significance by virtue of the main report.

Secondly, once an interpretation has been made at the time, people tend to look for confirming factors, rather than confounding ones. In other words, evidence that the event had a natural cause might have been overlooked or misinterpreted.

Thirdly, witness 'credibility' is not a useful factor to bolster any case. Though some people may be better observers than others, everyone can and does misperceive.

Loking specifically at the Wikipedia account, several points are interesting. Descriptions of the initial object from the ground vary, as do those from the air.

The follow up: "The next day, the F-4 crew flew out in a helicopter to the site where they had seen the smaller object land. In the daylight, it was determined to be a dry lake bed, but no traces could be seen. They then circled the area to the west and picked up a noticeable "beeper" signal. The signal was loudest near a small house, so they landed and questioned the occupants of the house about any unusual events of the previous night. They reported a loud noise and a bright light like lightning."

This looks like a classic case of 'look and you shall find'. I've little doubt they'd have found something interesting if they'd gone to completely the wrong place. Maybe the loud noise and lightning were - nearby lightning!

The differing descriptions of the main object point to some sort of misperception, perhaps of an unusual atmospheric event. We certainly do not know everything about our atmosphere. For instance, sprites were only discovered very recently, despite being massive phenomena. Maybe something similar can happen at lower levels in the atmosphere sometimes. This is just speculation. As I say, it would need to be investigated properly. Those UFO cases that HAVE been investigated properly have always yielded at least the certain possibility of natural causes.

[Croydon Bob]

Intruiging UFO case from Tehran-does anyone know if theres ever been any rational,mundane explanations offered as to what these objects could be?

A quick look at the wiki page that Mulder has linked to shows that Klass has looked at this case and was not impressed. Although the believers are quibbling about the location of Jupiter, that doesn't invalidate his theories (although it isn't entirely clear what his explanation is from the wiki page) as they may either be wrong about Jupiter or it might have been some other light in the sky such as a satellite. Strange lights in the sky over Tehran in 1976 and 1978? I'd be more inclined to suspect the US than little green men. Wouldn't the aliens have been more interested in the 1979 revolution?

[Mulder]

A quick look at the wiki page that Mulder has linked to shows that Klass has looked at this case and was not impressed.

Although there are undoubtedly UFO reports generated by bright planets, I think that theory is stretching things too far this time.

[Croydon Bob]

Although there are undoubtedly UFO reports generated by bright planets, I think that theory is stretching things too far this time.

I haven't read what Klass wrote, only a two sentence summary written by a believer, so I don’t feel able to defend or attack. It seems perfectly possible that a simple sighting of a planet could kick-start a series of incidents that get turned into a story of this complexity. There are other examples. It is clear from the mention of Klass on wiki that a rational, or mundane, explanation of this story exists and is possibly true. It is perhaps worth mentioning for anyone reading this who is not familiar with him that Philip Klass was not a skeptic in the traditional sense. His interest in flying saucers started as a believer and he had his own plasma theory of UFOs. The fact that the wiki entry calls him a 'debunker' shows quite an unfair bias against him.

[Mulder]

It is perhaps worth mentioning for anyone reading this who is not familiar with him that Philip Klass was not a skeptic in the traditional sense. His interest in flying saucers started as a believer and he had his own plasma theory of UFOs. The fact that the wiki entry calls him a 'debunker' shows quite an unfair bias against him.

Sounds a bit like an appeal to authority ...

My speculation, for what it's worth, is more than one cause.

[Croydon Bob]

Sounds a bit like an appeal to authority ...

A bit. Although on a skeptic's forum it is perhaps the opposite. I was just trying to point out that while a trashing by Randi or Joe Nichell will always be met with cries of 'debunker' by the UFonuts, to see the word used against Klass is real proof that an out and out believer is writing. Klass made lots of enemies in the UFOworld by telling nutters that they were nutters and pointing out that their stories were lies, etc. But he was genuine in his interest; he 'wanted to believe'. He never stopped going to UFO conferences, he rarely went to skeptical ones. He became more cynical and skeptical in old age simply because every story turned out to be false. If Klass dismissed the Tehran 1976 incident it wasn't because he looked into it so that he could debunk it. It obviously doesn't make his conclusions correct either.

[Tim the Mage]

Clearly not a UFO. This is Persia - it's a djinn.