Adrian Pengelly: Astonishing claims

[polomint38]

Any of you bods out there with websites, blogs etc. can you give back links to Julia's site to increase it's page ranking.

Can I apologise to anyone who saw my name on this post, that there is no really bad joke. I seem to be running out of bad puns.

[Julia]

Adrian is bringing his healing magic to Arizona!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cave-C...6453154?v=info

Casa Mariposa is "located in a vortex of powerful spiritual energy", apparently. Woudn't you think there'd be enough energy sloshing about without asking Adrian to bring his own?

[Tangleblossom]

An interesting post has appeared on Facebook regarding Pengelly !

"Tony Arnold
Hi Brian,
I am 'inspired' to suggest that you consider an alternative approach to your cancer treatment. I have friends that are quite gifted in the energy healing modality, in fact three of my friends are known all over the world for their extraordinary gift. Adrian Pengelly has an almost 100% success rate with cancer clients. Check him out, what would it hurt? :-) adrianpengelly.co.uk or call his girlfriend, Catherine Bennet. 480-368-1702 xt 4.
Blessings to you, my friend... See More
Tony
07 April at 22:54
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=109483749082113&id=36751618 459"

He seems to have found a new girlfriend to promote his woo ! I wonder if he remembered to tell the old one ?

Catherine Bennett has a linkedin profile
http://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinelbennett
Seems she is involved in health insurance ! hmmmmmmmmmm ! I do hope MR P got a work permit for the USA especially as he has a criminal record !

[tolman]

>>"Adrian Pengelly has an almost 100% success rate with cancer clients."

Now, who would possibly claim something like that unless they had some source for the information?
And what possible source could there be that anyone would believe other than Adrian himself, the man who never makes claims about being able to cure cancer (except when is seems like it might be profitable to do so).

[Julia]

Remember the multiple threats of violence and death Adrian's been receiving from the "three disturbed individuals" who shopped him to Trading Standards and Watchdog? It appears that he hasn't even bothered reporting them to the police, for some inexplicable reason.

Last month I e-mailed Ade's local boys in blue, the West Mercia Police Force. I explained that I am one of these three desperate villains, but that I have never even contracted Pengelly directly, let alone threatened him. I offered to co-operate fully in any investigation by putting handwriting samples, my computer, phone records etc at the force's disposal. Yesterday I got an interesting reply from Leominster-based inspector Martin Taylor:

"Thank you for your letter dated 30th March regarding Mr Pengelly.

At present West Mercia Police have not received an allegation with regard to you. I do note your offer of fully co-operating with us, and if the situation changes then I or a member of my team will be in touch with you."

So, Mr Pengelly, the ball is in your court. If you really have been inundated with threats the only sensible response is to report them to the police. I'm sure Inspector Martin Taylor would be glad to be of assistance.

[Rockers]

As some of you may know, Adrian Pengelly appeared on a radio show recently. It was available to listen to up until Thursday 20th May. But I chose to provide a transcript of the dialogue so it could be kept. Also many of you may not have had the opportunity to hear it.

After hearing it, I did start to wonder if Mr Pengelly has some form of dementia. I only query this as it would seem that he cannot remember things he has said, written or what others have said or written about him. Selective memory loss? Or maybe he really doesn’t care what has gone before and lives each day uniquely with no reference to past actions. It is obvious that Mr Pengelly has not learnt from his experiences of gaining a criminal record.

Below is the transcript. I couldn’t resist giving comment, as I went along. My comments are in red, but just read the black coloured wording if you want to. The actual words were agreed to be accurate by 3 different sources that read it in conjunction to hearing the audible broadcast when it was available.

BBC Oxford – Louisa Hannan Thursday 13th May 2010

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LH = Louisa Hannan, AP = Adrian Pengelly, MS = Dr Matthew Smith, MM = Michael Marshall

LH: …..we’ve got on the line Adrian Pengelly who is a renowned (renowned through bad press alone. Harold Shipman is renowned for all the wrong reasons too) psychic and healer. Adrian thank you ever so much for coming on the programme this morning. You were probably listening to Matthew there
AP: Yeah
LH: Tell us about the work that you do?
AP: Well, er, I was listening to him then, that was very interesting because at the moment Im with a Julie and I’ve just come back from America and Im (laughing) off to America again shortly. (Is it those with terminal illness funding your holidays to the USA, or is it just a case of you needing to find a new audience, as the UK knows far too many facts about you? I would also like to enquire if you required and needed a work permit, which I imagine was difficult with a criminal record?)
MS: That’s why this makes these things fascinating. So some would say there you go you’re tuning into all these things, or is just simply one of these bizarre things where (Adrian laughs), we can all probably link to the name, because there’s three names there kind of, Americas kind of, its fascinating I was applying it to you and it does apply to you, but then it applies to Adrian, does it apply to other people….
LH: Yeah, if your listening does it apply to you? That’s really weird. Adrian, talk to me about what you do then?
AP: Well really, Im a healer (Errm, you sure? No, the only thing we do know is that you claim to be, but provide no evidence other than anecdotal testimony from anonymous sources.)
LH: Right
AP: and that’s what I do all day and every day (Even God had a day of rest Ade)
LH: Describe healing though, describe, because I’ve heard the term healer before but don’t really understand what it means? (Oh dear here we go)
AP: All it is, in my belief, is Im manipulating energy. So the Chinese would call it Che energy and the Indians call it prana. Erm, I just manipulate energy. (Ok, lets say for one moment this is true, isn’t this dangerous if you do not know what you are doing or never been instructed?) Somehow or other, if I put my on my hands on people, or if I don’t put my hands on people and put my hands some distance away, erm, they feel heat, they feel burning, they feel tingling, they feel electricity, and it seems to stimulate some sort of response, some healing response in them. (The symptoms experienced during a “treatement”, actually sound unpleasant! Burning? Electricity? Sounds like torture! You would be praying for the tingling sensation only, given a choice wouldn’t you? But heat and electricity can easily be measured can it not? Up for controlled testing to see if what you are saying is true?) And, erm, it works on animals (Proof?), it works on people (Proof?), you don’t need any belief, as long as I believe, that’s the main thing, (But if nobody believed, with the exception of yourself, then surely people wouldn’t visit you or give you credit for the result?) errm, and its probably hereditary because of my Great Great Grandfather was also a famous healer. (Here’s the reference to Grandpa Lake again, so famous that nobody seems to have heard of him. I would love to know why a person related to the Lake family could not find any “healing” connections when they did their own research? http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/surname...lly/62/mb.ashx) Although I didn’t know about that until quite recently, so I wasn’t following in his footsteps. Erm, but I think it’s a very sort of basic, erm, talent if you like, that everyone’s got, just like everybody can be psychic. I don’t think its anything special, it is not God given, its not, doesn’t make you any different to anyone else. (So is he back-pedalling? It was only a few months ago he was behaving with a messiah complex and telling people that only “other healers can dream of doing what he can do”. Now he appears to be welcoming everyone into the possible club.)
LH: So at what point then did you want to follow this kind of work? Why did you want to get into this kind of thing? (Money? Ego? Failed in maintaining a proper job? We do know you were actually a policeman for a very short period)
AP: I didn’t. I never wanted to get into it. I had no interest at all. (Really? Who twisted your arm then?) I couldn’t have been less interested. But one day, by a psychic interestingly, I was told that I was a healer, and I wasn’t interested in psychics either, it was coincidental meeting, (Adrian on your website you claim to go to a psychic fair where you saw this psychic. Isn’t that like saying you went into a car show room and coincidentally I saw a car?) I was told I was a powerful healer, (You couldnt have been called just a healer could you? No, it had to be a powerful healer didnt it?) and I thought great, wonderful, fantastic, (Money symbols appear?) Im not interested. So I forgot about it for 6 months and then I was with a friend, who was in terrible pain with migrane, erm, she used to get them regularly, she was throwing up, shed gone blind, and I said “Oh you know someone told me I could heal”. (Good chat up line. Most would just reach for the paracetamol) I put my hands on her head, my hands instantly went burning hot and the migrane was gone. Literally within 1 or 2 seconds it was gone. But she had no belief in me, she didn’t know what I was doing, (Has she changed her mind or still acting sensibly?) I had no belief in me, because I thought it was just a joke, (Cough) and it was instant and it really it just went on from there. (So who exactly is it we blame? The Psychic at the fair, the woman with the migrane or the man with the burning ego/hands)
LH: But lets be honest about this, if this really worked, we wouldn’t have any cancer victims in the country, we wouldn’t have any kind of long term health problems would we? (Oh dear Cancer specifically has been mentioned. Here we go.)
AP: (laughs) Well, Im afraid we would, because, erm, in America for instance, 50% of Americans have got chronic health problems already, (That’s why hes picked the USA to conquer? Its all those overweight, burger eating, potential clients? Can he also assist to make people slim?) we are following that percentage, so that couldn’t be enough healers anyway, erm, there are thousands of healers, and they all of different abilities, and most healers find if they do one or two people in a day they are exhausted because they use their own energy, so there aren’t many like me who just work all day every day, and, I think that the thing about healing and the thing about illnesses, Illness is a very very complex, erm, interaction of our mind, of our emotions, of our physical body, of our cultural expectations, of our cultural conditioning, of our lifestyle, and some people respond really well to healing, regardless of whether they believe it or not, that’s not important. (Agree with a lot of this, which is why someone without even a current first aid certificate should not be involved with anything remotely hinting at medical advice) Some people respond very well and have amazing reactions, erm, other people don’t (Lets hear from them on both accounts. Names please?), and, there’s some healers are very good with some things, some healer are very good with other things, (Is Adrian claiming that some healers are better at dealing with certain conditions only? Isn’t the world lucky Pengelly is a good all rounder?) so it does really work and the fact that Ive, Ive treated, err, 20,000 people over the last 17 years (NO YOU HAVENT BEEN HEALING FOR 17 YEARS. Cant be sure of this, but someone recently told me he has been claiming to have been healing for 17 years for the last 4 years. I have not seen evidence of this to be fair. ), and nearly everyone I treat gets better, not everyone, but nearly everyone, so a very high success rate, but 20,000 people is a drop in the ocean and you know I work up to 90 hours a week. (90 hours times £30 per 20 minute session is £30 x 3 (3 x 20 minute sessions per hour) x 90 = £8100 per week? But of course he doesn’t charge everyone and he must have food and toilet breaks.) All weekends I work, I work to midnight or1am, without a break, erm so, I cant heal the world. Ive tried. (Oh bless him. I lit my lighter and waved it in the dark, whilst thinking of Barry Manilow singing one voice, when I heard this)
LH: I know a song about that (Not one voice by the Manilow is it? Oh you mean Heal the world. Silly me.)
AP: (laughs)
LH: Do you know….how…When you work with people then, describe a session to me? I mean do you do it in front of an audience? (Young lady!!) Or is it all a very private thing? (Again…Young Lady!!) Do you charge them? (I wont be predictable)
AP: Ok, its very informal, because I couldn’t, I couldn’t bare to be in a nice room with incense and dolphin music (Ok discriminate against flipper, why don’t you. But I am aware you burn a lot of incense in your home. This was largely to deal with excrement created by neglected pets I believe?), you know, and things like that, so its all very informal, erm, one place I treat is just a shed on a farm (With Ronseal? Would the shed name itself and give a proven testimony to your work?), another place I treat, where I am now, is just a conservatory (this is the same conservatory that was seen on BBC's Watchdog where you had a trapped cat in a carry case so it couldn’t escape your Dr Doolittle hands. Weird, when you consider birds land on you and animals love you. To be fair, maybe the cat doesn’t like or understand the burning hands, tingling feeling and electric shocks are possibly restoring one of his 9 lives? Ungrateful pussy!!), people come in and sit down and I say “ok whats the problem?” and they say oh bad back, or cancer, or arthritis, or epilepsy, or depression, or whatever and I say “Oh ok lets see what happens” (followed by “then I will give you unqualified medical advice and opinion based on what I claim to have read from your liver if Im not mistaken?”). Put my hands on them, erm, I can feel pretty much a sort of flow of energy, my hands will go burning hot. The first person I treated this morning said he was amazed at how much energy was going through him, he could feel it, now he was a sceptic when he first came (Oh God, another testimony from some anonymous/made up person. WHO?), erm so I do that for the first 20 minutes half hour something like that, erm, people will feel the heat, the tingling, the electric shots, theres usually a big reaction (A loud verbal “Ouch” or Scream I imagine?) , not always, erm, if they want to pay me they can. They don’t have to. (Maybe we should all promote Adrian’s free healing. If nobody paid he would then have to get a proper job) The maximum they can pay is £30. (How do you get that information over. Do you say at the initial enquiry, the start or the end of treatment, “you can pay if you want, but I won’t take any more than £30 a session? Is there a poster up with this information on your shed wall?) But, erm, if they want it for free that absolutely fine (“But you will find it difficult to get a follow up appointment and I will give you the same glare I gave Matt Allwright from BBC Rogue Traders”), they don’t need to ever explain, they don’t you know, I will treat everyone exactly the same and then they, if they need to come back, they come back, if they don’t they don’t. (Curious to know how many don’t come back?) Most people need a minimum of say 2 or3 treatments, erm, for fairly simple problems. (What is a simple problem? The list of typical ailments you give, don’t seem that simple) Some problems go on a long time, it takes a long time to get rid of them. But, erm, for most people it will be successful, whatever they come with, for most people it will be successful. (Successful = cured?)
LH: So presumably you don’t charge for this, because it’s a bit sort of work of God isn’t it?
AP: (laughs) I don’t actually believe in God, (Just as well really, because access to heaven would be doubtful eh?) I don’t, erm, Im a spiritual person, I’m, I don’t believe in religon…
LH: (Interrupts) Your not answering the question though. Do you charge for it? (To be fair he kind of dubiously did, but glad you pressed him further)
AP: Oh, yeah. I do, if they want to pay. But if they don’t want to pay then that’s absolutely fine. There are many many many people, particularly cancer people, because they have been off work for a long time, they haven’t got any money, um, they don’t pay and that’s fine. Absolutely fine. (Ade did once say in a newspaper article that 50% do. So again look at the figures; if he does work 90 hour, but only half pay, his average earnings are around £4,000 per week. Mmmmmm? True? Exaggerated? Maybe some pay only £20 per session. So would it be fair and reasonable to assume you are earning at least £8-10k per month? It is not difficult ot understand how he purchased a house for £680k, had one large garage filled with a handful of classic cars which included an Aston Martin. With no other income its not really hardly surprising he could be considered a high wage earner and doing frequent trips to Spain and now the USA.)
LH: We are running out of time, (Don’t worry Ade can fix that) but I just want to bring Matthew in who has been listening this.
MS: I am fascinated by these kind of ideas. And I think it is important that Adrian says that he doesn’t typically charge, (Yes, because he desperately trying to rebuild his public character, since BBC’s Rogue Traders and the public criminal conviction. He once had the services of a crisis management company too. But people will find it difficult to forget in Ade’s own words a persons cancer could return if they are “too mean with their money” and it cannot be cured for a second time.) ok sometimes he does charge, erm and even people who do this do charge, they could be charging for their time because if they do do it for a living they do need to be able to have the time to do it. That aside, I am yeah fascinated by the possibility that by doing these kind of things you can really pass on some kind of healing energy. The classic, typical, not to say sceptical or scientific explanation, would be, or if you could deal with, is the placebo effect. (Yep, but Adrian doesn’t just give people hope and a feel good factor….he has been proven to give people unqualified medical advice which is potentially dangerous) That’s not say again, that that’s not something that is absolutely fascinating and should be harnessed. But is it something more to do with the person does have some kind of belief or expectation by the laying on of hands does actually help and can actually help some ailments. And I think there should be lots more research on the placebo effect, its whether or not in this kind of healing, is something else going on over and above that.

(Went to travel news. Sceptic Michael Marshall was then introduced. He first expressed his concern over healers and those who maybe considered vulnerable. The conversation then followed.)

LH:….. We were chatting a moment ago and one thing you wanted to raise is something about Adrian and Adrian you are still on the line aren’t you?
AP: Im here yep (But considering making up the story of a losing the telephone signal if this gets too uncomfortable)
LH: Now what did you want to say about Adrian? (Don’t tempt me)
MM: Well its interesting you have got Adrian on and many of your listeners may have actually seen him on BBC’s Rogue Traders, where they had a fantastic look at the way that Adrian works and the claims hes curing, and perhaps if they didn’t see him there, they might have seen him in court where he was recently in a bit of bother to do with the 1939 Cancer Act which says you cant make claims to cure cancer if you haven’t got evidence to back that up? (Nice introduction Michael. But actually the Cancer Act says he cannot advertise the treatment of cancer full stop, but I will still do a Jerry Springer dance and chant “Go Michael, go Michael, go Michael”)
LH: Adrian, I know we haven’t got you for much longer but your going to have to go on, but I did want to give you the right to reply.
AP: OK yep, Yeah the Cancer Act thing, what I was prosecuted for, was the people (No, it was your partner at the time Alison Derrick, (I say “at the time” because it has now been placed on the web you have a new girlfriend in America named Catherine Bennet) Bongo Design. Remember? No? You bought the website and its registered in your name? Still cant remember? It was designed in your own home?) who did my website used the word “treat”. That’s all. (No and yes. There were initially 4 charges. There weren’t 4 charges for the same thing. 2 were under the Cancer Act and 2 under Consumer Protection laws. 1 was dropped when your legal council did a bit of bargaining if you were to plead guilty to everything. It wasn’t just 1 thing and over the word “treat” alone was it? You little misleading fibber?) They made the mistake of using the word treat. Your not allowed to use that word. Nobody knew that. (Ok confused by this lie Adrian, as your website prior to the court case said on the FAQ part “Rightly, there are laws in place in many countries that prevent people from making claims regarding the cure of cancer”, you also had the opportunity to change this and prevent it even going to court. Why didn’t you change it after the BBC Rogue Traders episode for example?)
And, those people, err, would have been prosecuted, but I decided to in effect to take the wrap instead. (Matyrdom? So you are telling me that you had no influence and say over your own website that you purchased, was designed by your partner Alison Derrick, in your own home? Surely you had to provide her with and others with much of the content too?) Trading Standards, well actually said to me, we have never had a complaint in 17 years about your work (Who is fibbing here? You or TS? They did have a complaint years ago, as will be mentioned later) and we are more than happy for you to carry on doing exactly what you are doing, there’s no problem, but we have to act because of pressure from, err, 2 individuals who have never been treated by me, but are objecting to what Im doing. (2 now? I thought 3 is the magical number that have “got it in for you”? I cannot for one moment see Trading Standard saying “we are happy for you to carry on with what you are doing.” Both the court and Trading Standards emphasised that Adrian Pengelly targets predominantly those considered vulnerable and this had to be considered. Whether it had been 2, 3 or 3000 complaints, if the law had not been broken and you were considered a risk to the vulnerable then there would not have been a case. Simplez! Trading Standards received a complaint and concerns about Adrian Pengelly’s work some years ago, but at the time “disappointingly” felt that there was not enough evidence to lead to a successful prosecution.)

MM: (then something was said that was muffled) Can you heal people of cancer?
AP: Sorry can you repeat the first part of that, I didn’t quite catch that?
MM: Just to be clear then, are you saying you cant heal people of cancer? You cant heal, treat or cure people of cancer? Are you saying you can still heal, treat or cure people’s cancers?
AP: I’ve never made that claim (watch watchdog, read the transcript of your lectures and look at your own website as it was), although a lot of people make that claim for me that when they’ve come to see me, with cancer, their cancer has gone afterwards. Some have had medical treatment, before they have seen me or during the time they see me, some haven’t. Some have only had me and nothing else. There is a guy who is very angry at the moment in London (why is he angry? Can you not cure tempers?), hes a businessman, he’s a millionaire, (Ok why was it relevant and important to mention he is a businessman and a millionaire? If this is true did he get the “you don’t have to pay if you don’t want to” speech?) he has a very very aggressive prostrate cancer, (Angry man with an aggressive prostrate. Well let us hope you don’t lay your hands directly there) I gave him 10 treatments, or maybe 11 treatments, he went for a scan before aggressive (Why is everything about this man angry or aggressive?) radiotherapy, and the cancer is gone. It is completely gone. Hes had no medical treatment. Only my treatment (Great at last a person who can substantiate the claim that only with you, and with no medical interference, resulted in success. His name?)….He claims….Sorry?
MM: You take credit for that or do you distance yourself from the claims (muffled)? (Well Michael if he wanted to distance himself from the credit, he wouldn’t be telling you the story of how successful HE was. A bit like me saying someone told me how great I am at driving, but Im not claiming it for myself, but I just want to announce it, tell you the story, and as a bonus tell a rather large public radio audience)
AP: Hes saying I have healed his cancer and he wants to stand up and be counted (Great, that's what we all want, then there can be controlled testing too. Let him. If he can prove that “only” you and you alone cured him, then think of the amount who will flock to you for treatment when it is proven and evidence submitted.) and shout about that. And Ive said well look, Ive haven’t actually healed anything (WILL YOU MAKE UP YOUR MIND!). My maximum involvement in this, is to create some healing response in the body, so that the body heals itself. And we all know that it is possible for the body to heal itself. There are a myriad of stories of the body healing itself. (Also misdiagnosis too. I imagine that many self-healing procedures in the body can be attributed to something that can be proven? Eg. Hormones/Glands settling?) If I can stimulate some sort of response to make that happen, wonderful. (Better still, allow yourself to be tested so that maybe the response can be replicated and more can receive it. People could learn to do what you do? Solves your problem too of not enough healers Adrian, doesn’t it? Not through your workshops, but through evidence collecting and testing. Or you going to be all greedy and keep the secrets for yourself?) He’s had no medical treatment, he’s only had me and there are many other cases like that. So he is making that claim. (But there is so much evidence of you making the claims too isn’t there? Granted you sometimes substitute the word "cure" for "successful treatment", or "get better", but to many of your "angry" clients this means the same thing )

The interview with Adrian was then closed and the host went on to discuss another psychic and psychic claims.

I look forward to the next appearance in the Media of Mr A J Pengelly with interest. There undoubtedly will be and take the usual contradictory confusing format.

I hope everyone is continuing where possible to direct and add links to

http://www.spanglefish.com/AdrianPen...?pageid=221661

If people choose to see him that is of course their choice. But allow people to have all the facts so they can make an informed judgement.

[Marsh_MSS]

Hey, Marsh here - just thought I'd say thanks for providing a full transcript of the conversation! It's slightly weird going on the radio knowing people are actually listening, let alone transcribing my garbled thoughts word for word - apologies for any stumbling or ineloquence there.

If anyone wants to hear the interview again, we're putting it out as a special of our Skeptics with a K podcast - available here:

http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/podcasts/ (or subscribe here, plug plug http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/M...t?id=357407764)

I'd have liked to go for Pengelly a bit harder, but the presenter made it clear I had a limited time with the 'healer', as well as being slightly caught out to find him on the show ahead of me. Still, I managed to get a few strong points in, I think.

Cheers
Marsh aka Michael Marshall
MSS

[Rockers]

Hey, Marsh here - just thought I'd say thanks for providing a full transcript of the conversation! It's slightly weird going on the radio knowing people are actually listening, let alone transcribing my garbled thoughts word for word - apologies for any stumbling or ineloquence there.

If anyone wants to hear the interview again, we're putting it out as a special of our Skeptics with a K podcast - available here:

http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/podcasts/ (or subscribe here, plug plug http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/M...t?id=357407764)

I'd have liked to go for Pengelly a bit harder, but the presenter made it clear I had a limited time with the 'healer', as well as being slightly caught out to find him on the show ahead of me. Still, I managed to get a few strong points in, I think.

Cheers
Marsh aka Michael Marshall
MSS

Hi Marsh,
I think your introduction to him was excellent and you can definitely tell he was rattled.

Just a shame he was allowed to spurt more lies. eg. giving off the impression it was 1 charge over the word "treat" only. But that isnt your fault.

He sounded, to me, irritated towards the end.

Excellent that the interview is still going to be available to listen to.

We cannot stop the man making up stories, but at least each time a sensible or even desperate person considers researching him, they will come across websites with correct information, such as this one. That is why it is so important that people talk about Adrian Pengelly online and on their own sites. Its important to provide all the correct information. Without it you just have his word.

Came across this website should anyone be interested. Interesting to see our friends in America have shown an interest.

http://www.skepocalypse.com/2010/04/....html#comments

[tolman]

It's good that he's on record publicly telling explicit lies about what he was charged with, etc.
No doubt that will come in useful for his next conviction, where with luck he'll be made to attend every second in court.

I'd wonder how his attempts to claim he doesn't claim to cure or treat cancer square legally with him quite deliberately stating that other people think he has treated them successfully, to the point of implying he cured them or helped them be cured?

Surely, if I'm selling a face cream and I go out of my way to claim that I have hordes of satisfied customers who think it does cure (or 'successfully treat') wrinkles, am I not making a stronger claim than if I merely claimed that I thought it treated wrinkles?

Whether I claim that the cream itself gets rid of wrinkles, or I try and cover myself by making an indirect claim that it 'helps the body get rid of them itself' is entirely immaterial if what I'm clearly claiming is that people who make use of the product I'm selling have a much better outcome than people who don't.

People don't generally buy products based on claimed modes of operation, but on what outcome they expect to get.
If the primary or effectively sole source of information is the seller, then what matters is the overall impression they give to a potential customer, irrespective of how they frame the information they give.

He's still effectively claiming to treat cancer for money.

I hope that next time legal action is taken against him, it's done properly, with access to all his records, tax returns, etc.
Then we'll see how accurate his statements are about how hard he works, how many people he treats, how long he's been in business, etc.

If there were discrepancies, I'd love to see him forced to explain whether he's been lying to cancer sufferers, or the taxman, or both.

[Rockers]

It's good that he's on record publicly telling explicit lies about what he twas charged with, etc.
No doubt that will come in useful for his next conviction, where with luck he'll be made to attend every second in court

Is it he truly forgets what he says or does, or is he so arrogant he really does not care? This may not be just defiance, but it could also be self-destructive as he has not learnt a single thing from his already prosecution.

He's still effectively claiming to treat cancer for money

I did wonder if the BBC radio show was indirectly allowing him to advertise the treatment of cancer? Looking at things in a simple way here, but is allowing someone to come on to the radio to discuss his success rate for treating cancer a form of advertising?

We all know he has relied on testimony from anonymous sources, that for all we know could be made up. He never offers a name or any details. Considering he has an angry, aggressive, millionaire businessman client from London wanting to actually speak up for him and offer proof, you would think he would let him. To-date, the only person seen that can be verified as actually existing claims he cured her cancer was whilst she was receiving 2 forms of conventional treatment from her Doctors.

If a claim is made and whether its a gift or money given for the service it becomes a contract. So if he does not live up to the claim, then he may find himself also facing private litigation in the future. Isn't that what the Mediums Act was and is all about? Or am I wrong?

I hope that next time legal action is taken against him, it's done properly, with access to all his records, tax returns, etc.
Then we'll see how accurate his statements are about how hard he works, how many people he treats, how long he's been in business, etc

I think he would use some schoolboy excuse for not providing them. eg. The dog ate it

Again, those of you more legal than I to correct me if I am wrong, but if he is earning the money that we believe he is, shouldn't he by law be at least VAT registered in the UK? I mean lets be honest you dont own a property like his and own a garage full of classic cars just on a few mates making a donation.......if they want to

I agree Tolman, I think its only a matter of time before further charges are brought against him. He is still acting beyond the law after all.

[tolman]

I think he would use some schoolboy excuse for not providing them. eg. The dog ate it

I'd love to see him try and argue that with HMRC.
In fact, I'd pay to go and see that.

Again, those of you more legal than I to correct me if I am wrong, but if he is earning the money that we believe he is, shouldn't he by law be at least VAT registered in the UK? I mean lets be honest you dont own a property like his and own a garage full of classic cars just on a few mates making a donation.......if they want to

If he's running a business, which he is, he'd have to register it and report all income on his tax return.

If his turnover was high enough, I'm pretty sure he'd have to be VAT registered (doesn't look like anything he does would be exempt), and if his claims of business buysness were even remotely true, his turnover would be over the threshold.

I agree Tolman, I think its only a matter of time before further charges are brought against him. He is still acting beyond the law after all.

I do hope HMRC are involved next time.

I wonder how much of his business is cash-in-hand?

[polomint38]

I think he would use some schoolboy excuse for not providing them. eg. The dog ate it

[bindeweede]

Not been to Arizona, but I missed it anyway. Thanks to Nasib for finding this document.

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Level One Healing workshop with Adrian Pengelly- THIS WORKSHOP IS CANCELLED AND HAS BEEN RESCHEDULED FOR MAY 29th Reserve
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Cost: $150.00

A $50.00 deposit is required to hold your space in class. Checks are made payable to: DK Productions and may be sent to:

DK Productions,

3370 North Hayden Road, Suite 123-515,

Scottsdale, AZ 85251

or

call Storm Wisdom at (602) 334-1204 for credit card deposits.

(for this first event - from 9 AM to 7:30 PM Adrian will host an off-site 1.5-hour lunch)



This is the basic course, but the techniques taught are highly advanced and evolved. Even professional healers find their work transformed after participating in this workshop. Designed to supercharge your sensitivity to energy which is the fundamental starting point of all healing work. Participants are instructed via specific exercises to develop greater sensitivity and to learn how energy works. Additional exercises show how energy is tangible and can be controlled at will. Participation in the Level One Workshop is required prior to participation in subsequent levels.

These workshops have been developed after over one hundred thousand healing sessions. Everyone was examined and analyzed with the intention of reaching a true understanding of their unique situation and how healing would work with and for them. The workshops cut through all the nonsense, hype, and myth surrounding healing. They explain in real terms the phenomena of energy work, and will transform any healer, no matter what their level. What Adrian does works, and he ignores everything else. These are transformational, intensive, yet fun workshops, designed for the serious healer as well as the layperson who would like to learn more about their own capabilities.

Over 100,000? Really. Would you believe it?

http://www.stormwisdom.com/calendar/...art=1273302000

[tolman]

Over 100,000? Really. Would you believe it?

Presumably that figure includes all the numerous people he heals without actually seeing, where I think he claimed the healing was at least as good as face-to-face?

Except I don't quite see how to manage doing:

"Everyone was examined and analyzed with the intention of reaching a true understanding of their unique situation and how healing would work with and for them."

from details which people post to him.

[Rockers]

So with a simple conversion, am I right with the online converter I just used, that $150 is roughly £100 per person for this workshop?

Im sure he will have to consider a payment to the venue out of this charge. But I wonder if you are allowed to say, "Adrian said I dont have to pay for his work, if I don't want to". It is something he has dubiously and "recently" been indicating. Don't panic if you do have to pay and want to attend though as it looks like you can now buy his course on credit card and pay later

Well that explains why the Casa Mariposa venue appeared to drop his appearances. He found another venue. Perhaps, after the local sheriff paid them a visit?

the techniques taught are highly advanced and evolved

So much mileage available from so little words

Everyone was examined and analyzed with the intention of reaching a true understanding of their unique situation and how healing would work with and for them.

Is this the bit where he claims to read a liver as it holds information on every emotional and physical experience? Or, is it a case of getting undressed, whilst he lays his grubby hands on you without even a current first aid certificate, or CRB clearance? I wonder if the examination actually exists, what it does actually involve?

I cannot say this is fact, so please do not take it as so until I have investigated further. But, after a few comments on here regarding possible/ok probable tax evasion, discovered that Pengelly appears to have in recent times registered, (for tax purposes), as a self-employed Hairdresser. If true, this could be why whenever he is visually shown to be healing, he always has his customer sitting in a chair and he is standing behind them. I guess after a healing session, he also holds up a mirror, so that they can give feedback on how well the back of their heads look