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    Ignotum Per Ignotius

    An explanation which is even more obscure than the thing it purports to explain. Literally, "the unknown by the more unknown."

    I like this - neatly explains the whole "god of the gaps" argument.
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    Re: Ignotum Per Ignotius

    Mark

    Do you mean this is the proper term for trying to explain one mystery with another mystery, or does it merely pertain to when an explanation is actually more vague than the phenomena it seeks to explain (as you seem to suggest).

    Seems to be the main violation of Occam
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    Re: Ignotum Per Ignotius

    a bit from column A and a bit from column B I'm afraid...

    generally speaking, it's like Donald Rumsfeld's
    There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.
    if that makes it any clearer
    The speed of light, expressed in FFF Units, is 1.8 mega-furlongs per micro-fortnight, or approximately 1.8 terafurlongs per fortnight.

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    Re: Ignotum Per Ignotius

    Cheers Mate

    I think I understand the fallacy - I just wondered if it could be be extended to the 'one mystery via another mystery' mistake that many woo-type explanations make....

    PS - happy new year.....
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    Re: Ignotum Per Ignotius

    personally, I think it's vague enough to cover both

    and HNY to you too
    The speed of light, expressed in FFF Units, is 1.8 mega-furlongs per micro-fortnight, or approximately 1.8 terafurlongs per fortnight.

    Gravity makes the heart grow heavier.

    A
    ny use of this product, in any manner whatsoever, will increase the amount of disorder in the universe. Although no liability is implied herein, the consumer is warned that this process will lead to the heat death of the universe.

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    Re: Ignotum Per Ignotius

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr B
    I just wondered if it could be be extended to the 'one mystery via another mystery' mistake that many woo-type explanations make....
    From what I have read on it it's more a case of trying to explain something mysterious with something even more mysterious.

    OTOH, how can one unknown be more unknown than another unknown?

    It probably does cover that scenario.

    Good find Mark - I'd never heard of it.
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    Re: Ignotum Per Ignotius

    I was reading the Canterbury Tales (it's in The Canon's Yeoman's Tale) - but it was sometime around new year and I had to go and look it up as I was intrigued by what it meant.

    I'd never heard of it before either and can't find many examples listed on other skeptical sites, so we may have a scoop here!

    And Plato answerde unto hym anoon,
    "Take the stoon that Titanos men name."
    "Which is that?" quod he. "Magnasia is the same,"
    Plato. "Ye, sire, and is it thus?
    is ignotum per ignocius.
    What is Magnasia, good sire, I yow preye?"
    "It is a water that is maad, I seye,
    elementes foure," quod Plato.
    Last edited by vbloke; 6th April 2007 at 07:29 PM.
    The speed of light, expressed in FFF Units, is 1.8 mega-furlongs per micro-fortnight, or approximately 1.8 terafurlongs per fortnight.

    Gravity makes the heart grow heavier.

    A
    ny use of this product, in any manner whatsoever, will increase the amount of disorder in the universe. Although no liability is implied herein, the consumer is warned that this process will lead to the heat death of the universe.

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